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re: Texas v. Becerra: 17 states incl LA want to abolish Section 504
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:30 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:30 am to 4cubbies
10 min., no. But if they need special help and accommodations or have real behavior issues they need to be in a special class. 2 teachers that I know spend their day babysitting in mid-elementary vs teaching. Not right.
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:31 am to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
a lot of virtue signaling with other peoples' money but par for the course
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:31 am to dcbl
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Maybe, maybe even probably; but shoving these kids in a “special room “ all day would do more harm than good - they need to learn how to interact with others
Why not have them go thru the same school, have their special classes in "special rooms," and let them socialize between classes/lunch/etc? Even have some regular classes that they can handle.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:33 am to 4cubbies
Bring back designated LD classes and insane asylums. 
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:35 am to 4cubbies
*sees list of states*
you know its a bad idea when even Mississippi doesnt support abolishing Section 504
you know its a bad idea when even Mississippi doesnt support abolishing Section 504
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:41 am to HagaDaga
quote:I’m on board with that
Why not have them go thru the same school, have their special classes in "special rooms," and let them socialize between classes/lunch/etc? Even have some regular classes that they can handle.
However, some of these kids are of above average intelligence and benefit from the rigors of a regular classroom for some subjects
There can’t be a “one size fits all” solution and many areas don’t have resources for any of it
I’m interested to see where this story/lawsuit goes
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:44 am to 4cubbies
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The USA has never valued children.
People that support baby killing, and sexual destruction of children, shouldn't throw stones.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:45 am to HagaDaga
I have a son that has done Special Needs in an Austin school for 20 years and the topic of how to handle is huge, and the info offered above does not do it justice.
1. Half of the resource person is tied up in managing legal responses as parents work the monetary leverage.
2 the other half is spent breaking up fights and mayhem and yes , my son has gone to the hospital for treatment
Pushing the social responsibility for taking care of high support needs children {physical/mental} on a school system designed to teach large populations is wrong.
Examining section 504 is good.
1. Half of the resource person is tied up in managing legal responses as parents work the monetary leverage.
2 the other half is spent breaking up fights and mayhem and yes , my son has gone to the hospital for treatment
Pushing the social responsibility for taking care of high support needs children {physical/mental} on a school system designed to teach large populations is wrong.
Examining section 504 is good.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:46 am to 4cubbies
ahhh texas, home of the RINOs that win the state house and put a democrat in as speaker. same Rinos that repeatedly attempted to impeach their own republican AG ken Paxton. Can't win shite when dems infiltrate and eat the party from within.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:55 am to 4cubbies
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504 plans provide accommodations for students with disabilities so they can learn in a regular classroom.
I taught high school for a year. I’m not an expert in 504 plans, but can speak from experience.
504 was a colossal headache. I would have classes where half of my students had a plan. The vast majority of them were for ADHD. Their accommodations were almost always “more time to submit work.” Deadlines became impossible to enforce. And I wasn’t allowed to fail any of them, even if they didn’t turn in a single assignment.
The one student I had with one of the traditional disabilities (blindness) worked circles around my other students, even the non 504 ones.
I’m not saying 504 needs to go away, but it does need a massive overhaul.
This post was edited on 2/15/25 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:57 am to dcbl
Very true about the no one size fits all situation we are in here.
I agree with you on fed money assistance here. Should be one of the only things the DoE should be gutted down too.
My dad has been a proponent of separating classes by sex. So essentially what I described social interaction wise, but all girl/boy class rooms. To improve proper competition within sexes. Perhaps that could assist with the ones with higher abilities. Then just tweak it some for them, say on test days. Obviously a factor are the teachers. Are they even being taught how to handle these students that are just needing a bit more attention??
Obviously we aren't talking the really disruptive type, that need to be handled differently. But ones that just mostly sit their quietly and learn. Like don't be a prick teacher and call on them knowing it'll trigger something. Test day they can go to another room or during a longer study hall period.
I agree with you on fed money assistance here. Should be one of the only things the DoE should be gutted down too.
My dad has been a proponent of separating classes by sex. So essentially what I described social interaction wise, but all girl/boy class rooms. To improve proper competition within sexes. Perhaps that could assist with the ones with higher abilities. Then just tweak it some for them, say on test days. Obviously a factor are the teachers. Are they even being taught how to handle these students that are just needing a bit more attention??
Obviously we aren't talking the really disruptive type, that need to be handled differently. But ones that just mostly sit their quietly and learn. Like don't be a prick teacher and call on them knowing it'll trigger something. Test day they can go to another room or during a longer study hall period.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:58 am to 4cubbies
Mainstreaming special needs into the classrooms is a failed experiment. Any good it serves for the special needs students comes at the expense of the rest of the class.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:02 am to Trevaylin
All of that makes sense. So many parents today can be horribly abusive of the system. The OP seems like the type of person that has contributed to it getting there. Puts schools in a bad spot.
Very true.
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Pushing the social responsibility for taking care of high support needs children {physical/mental} on a school system designed to teach large populations is wrong.
Very true.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:04 am to 4cubbies
504 / SWE / SPED = lowering standards.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:09 am to International_Aggie
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The one student I had with one of the traditional disabilities (blindness) worked circles around my other students, even the non 504 ones.
These types definitely needed to be accommodated. Not ADHD or tranny kids.
Employers aren't going to have special deadline accommodations for ADHD or trannies. They need to learn how to meet deadlines. That's just as important as the material itself. These kids are just being set up to fail.
Now an actual physical issue would get accommodated for, if possible.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:31 am to Mr Sausage
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They arent suing to end all accommodations.
Thy are suing to remove the law that states they have to provide accommodations. True or false?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:33 am to the808bass
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Thanks. This is exactly what I predicted. A non-serious response.
You’re going to pretend there is some philosophical motivation, aren’t you? And then you’re going to call yourself serious.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:33 am to 4cubbies
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Thy are suing to remove the law that states they have to provide accommodations. True or false?
The state DoE can still implement a logical variation.
The Federal Department of Education needs to be disbanded…period.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:35 am to RohanGonzales
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a lot of virtue signaling
What’s virtues am I signaling by posting a lawsuit?
What virtues are you signaling by refusing to engage in actual discussion and just insulting someone instead?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:37 am to HagaDaga
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People that support baby killing, and sexual destruction of children, shouldn't throw stones.
Who are you talking about? Yourself?
Please link the posts of mine that led you to believe I support any of those things? You people are so delusional. The gaslighting is so confusing. What’s the endgame?
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