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re: Tell me why I should feel sorry for long term unemployed who don't want to move?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:03 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:03 am to mmcgrath
Some people, evidently, aren't "cut out" for doing anything ... besides sitting on their asses, doing drugs, and being leeches on society.
And then whining about it, making excuses, and blaming anything and everything except themselves.
I hire people all the time ... ASSUMING they pass the drug test (which rarely happens) ... I tell them they can stay as long as they want, provided they do simple things like show up on time and actually work.
Have not laid off ANYONE in over 2 years ... yet, we are constantly in need of new people. Know why? Many folks we hire want a paying job ... but don't understand the responsibility that comes with keeping a job.
I have zero sympathy for such people.
People who go out looking for work with any motivation are typically given a chance by someone ... and then often they simply frick it up.
And then whining about it, making excuses, and blaming anything and everything except themselves.
I hire people all the time ... ASSUMING they pass the drug test (which rarely happens) ... I tell them they can stay as long as they want, provided they do simple things like show up on time and actually work.
Have not laid off ANYONE in over 2 years ... yet, we are constantly in need of new people. Know why? Many folks we hire want a paying job ... but don't understand the responsibility that comes with keeping a job.
I have zero sympathy for such people.
People who go out looking for work with any motivation are typically given a chance by someone ... and then often they simply frick it up.
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:06 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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If you have family members with dementia or in a nursing home it is very difficult to move. Let's see you move a family member with dementia and pay the medical transport costs and the shear difficulty of doing it.
What do you think the percentage is of the long term unemployed fits your narrative? Just a completely uneducated guess would be under 10%. What do you think of the other 90% that doesn't have a terminally ill family member or is so closely tied to their church they would feel it against God's will to move?
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 9:08 am
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:14 am to stevengtiger
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What do you think the percentage is of the long term unemployed fits your narrative? Just a completely uneducated guess would be under 10%. What do you think of the other 90% that doesn't have a terminally ill family member or is so closely tied to their church they would feel it against God's will to move?
It's an extremly small percentage.
His excuses are a bunch of BS.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:18 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Ralph_Wiggum
I sure do love a post like this, as if this remotely covers anything resembling a substantial portion of those that won't move.
If these excuses were used in 1850, we'd be somewhere around St. Louis in settling the West.
It has never been easier in the history of mankind to move. People will always find an excuse to do what's comfortable/less work. It's human nature.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 9:20 am
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:28 am to themunch
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themunch
upvote for you.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:32 am to navy
quote:There are some like that. However "long term unemployed" usually refers to someone who is looking for work and did in fact work previously, but hasn't found work in 6 months or longer.
Some people, evidently, aren't "cut out" for doing anything ... besides sitting on their asses, doing drugs, and being leeches on society.
These aren't necessarily people on unemployment, so why should it be a concern of ours?
quote:My company hasn't laid off anyone in 4-5 years, but we have fired a few people for various reasons. Those people would like a job I am sure and will probably work hard to get one. Although without a reference from the place you just worked at for the last 1-6 years it is difficult. None of them would be good truck drivers in my opinion.
Have not laid off ANYONE in over 2 years ... yet, we are constantly in need of new people. Know why? Many folks we hire want a paying job ... but don't understand the responsibility that comes with keeping a job.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:34 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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Not true. We mine more coal now than we did 30 years ago.
But we mine less coal now than we did twenty years ago. Funny how you extended the timeframe to fit your argument.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:38 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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they may have family obligations that means taking care of or looking after sick or elderly family members
So they can't take care of themselves, yet have to stay somewhere so they can take care of someone else? What are you smoking?
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They may have children who have special needs who would be disrupted if they move.
"Disrupt?" If you can't make the decision to better the lives of your family, you're a shitty parent. I don't care how "special" the needs are, with the exception of needing to stay near a particular doctor/hospital for medical reasons. What percentage of the "unwilling to move" crowd do you think that covers?
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It can take a few thousands dollars to rent and pack up a U-Haul and take your family and take care of the various expenses to move.
Sometimes you have to sell your shite to afford the move. Again, if you can't make the tough decisions, you deserve what you get.
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Some people may have obligations to their church and feel a calling from the Lord to stay in their community. Some may be divorced and do not want to move away from their children and not have the frequent visits that are important.
Again, two decisions that lie with the individual. Neither absolve them of their own responsibility. Yet, you come along to say it's not their fault... always.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 9:45 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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You don't have to feel sorry for them, but they may have family obligations that means taking care of or looking after sick or elderly family members. They may have children who have special needs who would be disrupted if they move. They may lack the money to move. It can take a few thousands dollars to rent and pack up a U-Haul and take your family and take care of the various expenses to move.
Some people may have obligations to their church and feel a calling from the Lord to stay in their community. Some may be divorced and do not want to move away from their children and not have the frequent visits that are important.
Good Lord, if you keep going you may think of enough reasons for everyone to give a crap. Life is tough. This is the country where you do tough things to make it work. Or at least it used to be. Now we are a bunch of excuse filled sissies. Thanks for your excuses.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:20 am to lsu13lsu
I don't feel particularly sorry for the long term unemployed unless special circumstances exist, but i understand why they may not want to move to the middle of nowhere.
I live in CO, and we see the oil boom stuff first hand. its great for all the money and jobs, but its also expensive to live near the jobs as housing is so expensive. So maybe they make 100k, but if they have to spend 40k a year in rent, are they really better off?
I live in CO, and we see the oil boom stuff first hand. its great for all the money and jobs, but its also expensive to live near the jobs as housing is so expensive. So maybe they make 100k, but if they have to spend 40k a year in rent, are they really better off?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:29 am to Hawkeye95
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I live in CO, and we see the oil boom stuff first hand. its great for all the money and jobs, but its also expensive to live near the jobs as housing is so expensive. So maybe they make 100k, but if they have to spend 40k a year in rent, are they really better off?
There are many cheaper options than CO to live/work in the oil field. NWLA has seen it boom as well with the Haynesville Shale and the cost of living here is relatively low. Many of the O&G companies also offer rotational work and provide living quarters/food while on rotation. Some of them start at $25/hour or more. You don't even have to relocate to work some of these jobs. Unless there special circumstances, there is work out there for anyone seriously looking.
ETA: My sister lives in a decent house in a nice area of Denver and pays nowhere near that much.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 10:37 am
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:31 am to C
You shouldn't.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:34 am to Hawkeye95
I know plenty of people that go off to work in the middle of nowhere to support their families. They live in crappy travel trailers or crappy hotels. They do not pay any where near $40K per year in rent and work in O&G and other similar industries.
Their kids and families respect them so much more even though they are gone versus parents who are unemployed and do not want to be employed.
Their kids and families respect them so much more even though they are gone versus parents who are unemployed and do not want to be employed.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:45 am to C
quote:Also if they have a clean driving record. And don't have any of the numerous medical conditions that can disqualify you at the state or federal level. And if they're a Texas resident, assuming we're using Kerrville as a baseline from the story. This has to be done in advance of even applying for the CDL, so we're talking cross-country moving costs and finding a co-signer for a THA lease because I doubt the landlord is going to accept this CNNMoney story as a statement of income. (You can get your CDL out of state but will still need to establish Texas residency before transferring it.)
"If you can pass a drug test and have a truck license, you can earn $100,000 a year driving an oil truck," said MacDonald.
Then scrap a couple more thousand for the trucking school tuition. I'm assuming based on the fact that they're snatching homebuilder truckers that the companies are willing to take on some of the training (e.g., you don't need to get all the way up to a Class A+X on your own) but can't assume that calculus still applies for someone with zero experience.
Then hope that the domestic fracking boom enabling this kind of thing doesn't start coughing up a lung thanks to recent geopolitics.
Of course, when I read the article, I had a much more obvious question: If they are being poached so regularly, why doesn't MacDonald pay his truckers more? The article makes much of the housing shortages in oil boom areas, so it's not like he wouldn't be able to make up the wage increases on increased sales price/volume.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:19 am to Iosh
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why doesn't MacDonald pay his truckers more?
I think everyone is getting paid more. It's just a fluid market. I think minimum wage there based on supply and demand factors is up around $20/hr. That's for the fry cook and cashier. Basically if you are able to breathe, stay awake, and arrive on time you're going be paid well.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:08 pm to C
You move where the jobs are.
Do I like living in Atlanta.......not really
Have I lived in Atlanta for the past 16 years......yep
Do I like living in Atlanta.......not really
Have I lived in Atlanta for the past 16 years......yep
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:24 pm to C
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Tell me why I should feel sorry for long term unemployed who don't want to move?
You shouldn't and I've been saying this for a long time.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:26 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Some people may have obligations to their church and feel a calling from the Lord to stay in their community. Some may be divorced and do not want to move away from their children and not have the frequent visits that are important.
While I certainly appreciate callings and faith, I highly doubt God will call you to stay in an area and rely on the government to get by.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:38 pm to Pettifogger
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I highly doubt God will call you to stay in an area and rely on the government to get by.
Depends on whom their "god" is.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:13 pm to navy
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You go where the work is.
Great. We'll be a nation of migrant workers, just like Mexico.
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