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re: Surprise Surprise-Study Finds Sun—not CO2—May Be Behind Global Warming

Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48197 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:23 pm to
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The sun is responsible for global warming, but not climate change. That's different.

-The Left



Yep - you can always be correct if you claim the weather will change. almost as reliable as the sun rising = oh shite - never mind.
Posted by Jokey1968
In a house
Member since Oct 2015
360 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:24 pm to
Can we beg and pay the Sun not to heat up anymore. That seems to be the democrat way of doing things.
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:25 pm to
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Study Finds Sun—not CO2—May Be Behind Global Warming


Posted by bstew3006
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:25 pm to
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Surprise Surprise-Study Finds Sun—not CO2—May Be Behind Global Warming


Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48197 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:28 pm to
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CO2 isn't a significant greenhouse gas. It's water vapor. Human activity is not creating more water.



This is the second point I make to any 'global warming' claim.

H2O vapor orders of magnitude more effective as a greenhouse gas and there is several orders of magnitude more of it.

There is a rebuttal to this fact that I never quite understood = something about the water cycle itself - the significance of which I admittedly do not understand.

Can anyone explain it like I was 5?
Posted by geauxturbo
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2007
4386 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:35 pm to
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Can anyone explain it like I was 5?


No, but humans do create quite a bit of water.

Combustion:
Long chain carbon molecule (mainly carbons and hydrogens) + heat and Oxygen = CO2 + H20 and a little NOx, SO2, non-combusted fuel (VOC) and particulate (smoke).

Regardless, not causing climate change in any substantial way. Just letting you know so you don't get caught with your pants down saying humans aren't creating more water.
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
11726 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:36 pm to
No way! That huge flaming sphere of hot plasma in the sky?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78348 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:37 pm to
We've seen research in the past say the same thing. This will be ignored.
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:39 pm to


Wait, you are telling me that the #1 source of energy for Earth that is 100x's our size and runs @ 5,770 degrees kelvin created by nuclear fusion from it's core is what really impacts our climate change and not emissions from man made production?



Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7836 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:41 pm to
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swing and a miss
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8486 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:42 pm to
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You mean that gigantic nuclear furnace 93 million miles away?

The one with a surface area of 2.4 trillion square miles emitting 5778K of heat from it's surface into space for perpetuity?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112879 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:43 pm to
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quote:
You mean that gigantic nuclear furnace 93 million miles away?

The one with a surface area of 2.4 trillion square miles emitting 5778K of heat from it's surface into space for perpetuity?


I know, right?
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1804 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:53 pm to
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Can we beg and pay the Sun not to heat up anymore. That seems to be the democrat way of doing things.



We may need that: The Coming Modern Grand Solar Minimum

“This global cooling during the upcoming grand solar minimum…would require inter-government efforts to tackle problems with heat and food supplies for the whole population of the Earth” (not to mention their livestock).

The pessimists ask, what else can go wrong? Well, cooling will increase the demand for heat, darker days will increase the demand for light, and unfavorable outside conditions will increase the demand for power for enclosed food production. With more power needed, the amount we currently rely on from solar installations will decrease as cloud cover limits their efficacy.

A decrease in solar ultraviolet radiation can be expected to slow the formation of ozone in the atmosphere, a lack of which tends to destabilize the jet stream, causing wilder weather. Wind generators turn off when the wind is excessively strong. As we now know, they are not immune from freezing in place. In the face of a greater demand for power, we will generate less.

Even worse is this: Historically, GSMs have been associated with extreme weather events. Floods, droughts, heavy snowfall, late springs, and early autumns have all resulted in famine. Famine during GSMs has led to starvation and societal upheaval. No one wants the former, and I think we’ve seen enough of the latter this past year or so to do for our lifetimes.

We’re about 16 months into this GSM, with 32 more years to go. Already 2019 and 2020 saw record low numbers of sunspots. We’ve had lower than expected crop harvests due to unseasonable rains both years. The April 2021 USDA World Agricultural Product report has articles detailing Taiwan’s expected 20% decrease in rice production this year over last, Cuba’s rice production 15% below its five-year average, Argentina's corn, Australia's cotton, Malaysia's palm oil -- all down, all due primarily to the weather. There are some expected bumper crops, all based on expanded acreage.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:55 pm to
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blaming human emissions were based on “narrow and incomplete data about the Sun’s total irradiance.”
No shite!

Incredibly, these warmists have no fricking idea or interest as to causes of regular 0.1ma cyclical climatic fluctuations during our current ice age.

It's an important little detail, because those fluctuations are the cause of accompanying CO2 variances, not the result of them.

Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
25273 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:55 pm to


Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74548 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:58 pm to
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concluded that previous studies did not adequately consider the role of solar energy in explaining increased temperatures.










Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116820 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:59 pm to
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There is a rebuttal to this fact that I never quite understood = something about the water cycle itself - the significance of which I admittedly do not understand.


The water cycle is global. The warmers made up this stupid response 40 years ago that the water will fall in equal amounts on the globe but it will fall where it's not supposed to and not fall where it is supposed to.
IE, It will rain a lot in the ocean and raise the sea level instead of on the crops and cause desertification in the grain belt.

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86407 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:00 pm to
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swing and a miss


Lol, so you believe in global warming?





Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7654 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:10 pm to
Many people are not aware that our Sun is a variable star. Its energy output is not constant. I've had arguments with liberal enviro climate folks at different gatherings over the years and I let them spout their nonsense about man made global warming/climate change. Then I drop the fact about our sun being a variable star and I ask them how does that figure into their equations. They don't have an answer for that.
Posted by Blutarsky
112th Congress
Member since Jan 2004
11726 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:10 pm to
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The one with a surface area of 2.4 trillion square miles emitting 5778K of heat from it's surface into space for perpetuity?


We should load up all the global warming alarmists and send them to the sun so they can have a sit down meeting about taxing it.
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