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Supreme Court Backs Illegal Immigrant Unaware of Gun-Possession Laws
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:20 am
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:20 am
Ignorantia legis neminem excusat or "ignorance of law excuses no one" is legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because he was unaware of its content . . . unless apparently, he is in the US illegally to begin with.
quote:Meanwhile in New Jersey . . .
Supreme Court Backs Immigrant Unaware of Legal Status in Gun-Possession Case
By Mairead McArdle
June 21, 2019
The Supreme Court on Friday ruled that an illegal immigrant unaware that his legal status barred him from possessing a gun cannot be prosecuted for possession, in a decision that could affect thousands of previous cases.
The Court’s decision will force prosecutors to prove that a member of a group barred from having a firearm knows they are a member before they can be convicted of a crime. In cases where the individual’s status is the “crucial element,” the person must be aware of it, the Court said.
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Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan joined Breyer in the majority, while Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented.
“Serious problems will also result from requiring proof that an alien actually knew—not should have known or even strongly suspected but actually knew—that his continued presence in the country was illegal,” Alito wrote in his dissent.
W T F ?
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New Jersey: Court Upholds Man Arrested For Visible Gun Case In Car
Motorists driving through New Jersey can be subjected to a warrantless search if their luggage is similar in appearance to a gun case, an appellate court ruled last week. The Superior Court's Appellate Division upheld a five year prison sentence against Dustin S. Reininger, a former police officer who was in the process of moving from Maine to Texas when a Readington Township police officer recognized the cases in the back of Reininger's vehicle as the sort that usually carries a rifle.
During the long trip on March 20, 2009, Reininger became tired and decided to pull off the road in an empty, well-lit parking lot. He stopped his green Toyota SUV, turned off his lights, and went to sleep in the driver's seat under a blanket. At 3:25am, Officer Gregory Wester knocked on his window and woke him up, shining a flashlight in his eyes. Officer Wester testified that Reininger appeared "nervous and tired." The policeman asked Reininger whether he was carrying anything illegal.
"No, no, all good," Reininger replied.
Reininger believes he was targeted because of his Texas license plates. Officer Wester then looked inside the SUV with his flashlight noticed two nylon cases in the back seat. Once backup arrived, Officer Wester asked for consent to search the vehicle, but Reininger said no. Officer Wester then opened up the vehicle to search the cases "for safety reasons" any way. After finding guns, Reininger was arrested.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:25 am to NC_Tigah
That is so F’ed up.
Illegal aliens now have a higher burden of proof that regular citizens.
We are doomed as a nation.
Illegal aliens now have a higher burden of proof that regular citizens.
We are doomed as a nation.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:26 am to NC_Tigah
Did the all-wise Supreme Court envision where this can go? Illegal immigrants can now pack heat, with no legal liability?
"professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Good Book).
"professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Good Book).
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:33 am to NC_Tigah
He was unaware of his immigration status, not of gun-possession laws. Edit your title
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:35 am to RCDfan1950
quote:Alito did.
Did the all-wise Supreme Court envision where this can go? Illegal immigrants can now pack heat, with no legal liability?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:37 am to CommoDawg
quote:FALSE!
He was unaware of his immigration status, not of gun-possession laws.
His unawareness of applicable gun-possession law was cause for appeal.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:37 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
the defendant may well lack the intent needed to make his behavior wrongful.
We've lost.
quote:
John Roberts and Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh
Can get fricked
If they are carrying concealed how does this not shite on states rights?
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 7:43 am
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:45 am to NC_Tigah
So non-citizens have more rights than citizens.
Honk
Honk
Honk
Honk
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:01 am to NC_Tigah
Should've let them burn Kavenaugh for rape. What a putz
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:12 am to NC_Tigah
If you weren’t so outraged at the context, this is actually a great ruling for ALL criminal defendants. It forces the government to prove every element of the crime, rather than having a presumption (which the government argued for and got below) that you knew you were breaking the law.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:17 am to NC_Tigah
first case: sounds like the court says that he had to be aware that he was an illegal. You could imagine a case where someone brought into the country young was told by their parents that they were a citizen when they really weren't. In that case it isn't a question of knowing the law, but knowing you would be violating the law.
second case: I thought there was a federal law that allowed you to carry weapons from a state where they would be legal to a state where they would be legal, through a state where they are illegal. That wouldn't shield him for having one of the guns loaded, but should protect him from all other charges.
second case: I thought there was a federal law that allowed you to carry weapons from a state where they would be legal to a state where they would be legal, through a state where they are illegal. That wouldn't shield him for having one of the guns loaded, but should protect him from all other charges.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:47 am to NC_Tigah
If I denounce my citizenship, can I get the extra rights that are given to illegals?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:50 am to NC_Tigah
Another reason anyone who thinks they can send authorities to seize mine, will have to do so from cold, dead, hands.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:58 am to NC_Tigah
What I can’t wrap my head around is how Ginsburg votes against every practically every case brought up for freedom of possession of a firearm..... and now she jumps in with the majority for the rights of an illegal alien??
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:03 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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If I denounce my citizenship, can I get the extra rights that are given to illegals?
And you won’t even have to pay taxes. But beware, to receive benefits you must vote Democrat.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:06 am to NC_Tigah
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Officer Gregory Wester
Can get fricked. Total dick.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:25 am to NC_Tigah
I am for dropping illegals into their home countries from C130s without parachutes, but if the words "knowing" or "knowingly" or similar intent is attached to this law, then it was the correct decision.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW
except illegal immigrants.
except illegal immigrants.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:30 am to NC_Tigah
It MUST be time to replace the Supreme Court then...
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:31 am to NC_Tigah
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The Supreme Court on Friday ruled that an illegal immigrant unaware that his legal status barred him from possessing a gun cannot be prosecuted for possession, in a decision that could affect thousands of previous cases.
I'm speechless.
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