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Supreme Court Backs Illegal Immigrant Unaware of Gun-Possession Laws

Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:20 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123910 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:20 am
Ignorantia legis neminem excusat or "ignorance of law excuses no one" is legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because he was unaware of its content . . . unless apparently, he is in the US illegally to begin with.
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Supreme Court Backs Immigrant Unaware of Legal Status in Gun-Possession Case
By Mairead McArdle
June 21, 2019

The Supreme Court on Friday ruled that an illegal immigrant unaware that his legal status barred him from possessing a gun cannot be prosecuted for possession, in a decision that could affect thousands of previous cases.

The Court’s decision will force prosecutors to prove that a member of a group barred from having a firearm knows they are a member before they can be convicted of a crime. In cases where the individual’s status is the “crucial element,” the person must be aware of it, the Court said.
...

Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sonia Sotomayor, and Elena Kagan joined Breyer in the majority, while Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented.

“Serious problems will also result from requiring proof that an alien actually knew—not should have known or even strongly suspected but actually knew—that his continued presence in the country was illegal,” Alito wrote in his dissent.

W T F ?
Meanwhile in New Jersey . . .
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New Jersey: Court Upholds Man Arrested For Visible Gun Case In Car

Motorists driving through New Jersey can be subjected to a warrantless search if their luggage is similar in appearance to a gun case, an appellate court ruled last week. The Superior Court's Appellate Division upheld a five year prison sentence against Dustin S. Reininger, a former police officer who was in the process of moving from Maine to Texas when a Readington Township police officer recognized the cases in the back of Reininger's vehicle as the sort that usually carries a rifle.

During the long trip on March 20, 2009, Reininger became tired and decided to pull off the road in an empty, well-lit parking lot. He stopped his green Toyota SUV, turned off his lights, and went to sleep in the driver's seat under a blanket. At 3:25am, Officer Gregory Wester knocked on his window and woke him up, shining a flashlight in his eyes. Officer Wester testified that Reininger appeared "nervous and tired." The policeman asked Reininger whether he was carrying anything illegal.

"No, no, all good," Reininger replied.

Reininger believes he was targeted because of his Texas license plates. Officer Wester then looked inside the SUV with his flashlight noticed two nylon cases in the back seat. Once backup arrived, Officer Wester asked for consent to search the vehicle, but Reininger said no. Officer Wester then opened up the vehicle to search the cases "for safety reasons" any way. After finding guns, Reininger was arrested.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
17319 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:25 am to
That is so F’ed up.

Illegal aliens now have a higher burden of proof that regular citizens.

We are doomed as a nation.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34909 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:26 am to
Did the all-wise Supreme Court envision where this can go? Illegal immigrants can now pack heat, with no legal liability?


"professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Good Book).
Posted by CommoDawg
Member since Jun 2015
2322 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:33 am to
He was unaware of his immigration status, not of gun-possession laws. Edit your title
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123910 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:35 am to
quote:

Did the all-wise Supreme Court envision where this can go? Illegal immigrants can now pack heat, with no legal liability?
Alito did.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123910 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:37 am to
quote:

He was unaware of his immigration status, not of gun-possession laws.
FALSE!
His unawareness of applicable gun-possession law was cause for appeal.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:37 am to
quote:

the defendant may well lack the intent needed to make his behavior wrongful.


We've lost.

quote:

John Roberts and Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh


Can get fricked

If they are carrying concealed how does this not shite on states rights?
This post was edited on 6/23/19 at 7:43 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67910 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 7:45 am to
So non-citizens have more rights than citizens.


Honk

Honk
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:01 am to
Should've let them burn Kavenaugh for rape. What a putz
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
11707 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:12 am to
If you weren’t so outraged at the context, this is actually a great ruling for ALL criminal defendants. It forces the government to prove every element of the crime, rather than having a presumption (which the government argued for and got below) that you knew you were breaking the law.
Posted by M. A. Ryland
silver spring, MD
Member since Dec 2005
2050 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:17 am to
first case: sounds like the court says that he had to be aware that he was an illegal. You could imagine a case where someone brought into the country young was told by their parents that they were a citizen when they really weren't. In that case it isn't a question of knowing the law, but knowing you would be violating the law.

second case: I thought there was a federal law that allowed you to carry weapons from a state where they would be legal to a state where they would be legal, through a state where they are illegal. That wouldn't shield him for having one of the guns loaded, but should protect him from all other charges.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6494 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:47 am to
If I denounce my citizenship, can I get the extra rights that are given to illegals?
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12068 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:50 am to
Another reason anyone who thinks they can send authorities to seize mine, will have to do so from cold, dead, hands.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12616 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:58 am to
What I can’t wrap my head around is how Ginsburg votes against every practically every case brought up for freedom of possession of a firearm..... and now she jumps in with the majority for the rights of an illegal alien??

Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16416 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:03 am to
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If I denounce my citizenship, can I get the extra rights that are given to illegals?


And you won’t even have to pay taxes. But beware, to receive benefits you must vote Democrat.
Posted by Kino74
Denham springs
Member since Nov 2013
5344 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:06 am to
quote:

Officer Gregory Wester


Can get fricked. Total dick.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98775 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:25 am to
I am for dropping illegals into their home countries from C130s without parachutes, but if the words "knowing" or "knowingly" or similar intent is attached to this law, then it was the correct decision.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61279 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:27 am to
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW









except illegal immigrants.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:30 am to
It MUST be time to replace the Supreme Court then...
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51609 posts
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:31 am to
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The Supreme Court on Friday ruled that an illegal immigrant unaware that his legal status barred him from possessing a gun cannot be prosecuted for possession, in a decision that could affect thousands of previous cases.


I'm speechless.
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