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re: Study shows nearly half of ‘Covid deaths’ not caused by virus

Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:00 pm to
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
2083 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:00 pm to
You don't necessarily need to be an expert in a subject to see problems, particularly logical problems. This is a fallacious argument.
Let me ask you, have you looked at why some say this? If not, you should at least take that time. If you have, what do you suppose the primary problems with virology are that has led some experts to not only question the methods, but to reverse their long held views? Former Pfizer VP Dr. Michael Yeadon is a big one that comes to mind.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 12:01 pm
Posted by DocYatesVA
Yukon, OK
Member since Oct 2022
198 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:57 pm to
I disagree. The majority of the medical professionals do not use the proper phraseology when completing death certificates. It was much easier for them to write Covid, than to list the the true reason (COPD) complicated by history of smoking and Covid infection. The problem becomes that when the Bureau of Statistics gathers the data, they take the cause of death, COD, as the primary listing, which in this case was Covid.

This s why for years our statistics have shown heart attacks as the primary cause of death. The reason being is because lots of people filling out death certificates list "cardiac arrest" on the death certificate. Well that is a gievn, most everyone's heart stops when they die. The truth is there is usually a reason for that, whether it be drugs, atherosclerosis, etc.

In the case of the 17 year old, my guess is that someone listed Covid, since it was much easier to justify a young person dying from an infection than it was from a drug OD.

It was despicable that the government was giving money for each Covid death, and that this likely also saturated the statistics.

By and large however, if someone was sick, had comorbidities, then Covid might have been the thing that pushed them over.

Not arguing one way or another, I just think that the statistics, as they are currently kept, is worthless.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119697 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

You don't necessarily need to be an expert in a subject to see problems, particularly logical problems. This is a fallacious argument.


I didn’t make an argument. I was simply trying to evaluate whether I should take your proclamation seriously.

Here’s one main reason your theory doesn’t make a lot of sense. There were well over 300,000 excess deaths for 2020.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75234 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:04 pm to
* In Greek Hosptials In 2022


quote:

Researchers from the UK reported that during the first pandemic waves, COVID-19 deaths were accurately attributed to the virus itself approximating an impressive 92-97% accuracy5. In Denmark, during the Delta wave, only an estimated 10-20% of deaths registered as COVID-19 deaths were in fact due to other, non-COVID-19-related, causes4.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119697 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:30 pm to
No one is buying your gaslighting.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75234 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

No one is buying your gaslighting


It’s a direct quote from the study the OP is talking about
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7148 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:55 pm to

The Covid Plandemic was a money making scam of historic proportions that

made FDR's New Deal look like a shell and pea carnival game.

It wrecked the world's economy and broke the supply chain causing unimagined inflation.

It killed President Trumps ' re- election.

It killed thousands of innocent people.
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
2083 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:22 pm to
You implied an appeal to authority and confirmed as much with this response. I'm not what should be taken seriously per se but the arguments of the professionals I would refer to should be, thus my question of do you even know their arguments?
The number of deaths do not prove a cause as they're at best epidemiological observations. Fwiw I've heard this all debated and it only reinforced my confidence that I'm on the right side so to speak.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 3:24 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20663 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:31 pm to
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bullshite. Anyone paying attention sniffed out this farce almost immediately.

You missed the point of my post.

Yes, it was all nonsense but those that understood it to be nonsense were a minority. On this site there was a handful of us that recognized it for what it was from go, but there was a shite ton of fear and doom the ruled the day.

If that wasn't the case, then how did we end up with the utter shitshow we saw?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
20663 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:33 pm to
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Thats one of the substacks I subscribed to after s/he got kicked off twitter. I liked the data he had, it was informative.

This is interesting because I followed him pretty closely from pandemic start to finish on Twitter. I didn't even know he was on substack. I wonder if we're talking about different people?

In any case, I agree with your point that being a dissenting voice in the early days of Covid definitely encountered a lot of pushback.
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
12354 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 6:39 pm to
Heh. Silence is Golden...






Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
17588 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 7:07 pm to
There were people who died in car accidents who were labeled as covid deaths.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
21240 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 8:37 pm to
quote:

If that wasn't the case, then how did we end up with the utter shitshow we saw?


Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119697 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:25 pm to
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The number of deaths do not prove a cause as they're at best epidemiological observations.


The number of deaths show something(s) happened way out of the ordinary. You saying “nuh uh” is the opposite of an argument.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 9:25 pm
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
2083 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:57 pm to
Excess deaths proves the cause, is that your claim?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
119697 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:06 pm to
No. I didn’t say that. I’m not telling you what the cause was or what the causes were. I’m saying it wasn’t nothing. It wasn’t a “normal year.”

It indicates that there was something very out of the ordinary causing deaths.

What were the number of deaths in 2017, 2018 and 2019 in the US?

How about 2020? 2021?
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
12674 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:12 pm to
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Chalk this up to that mind numbing period between 3/20 and 1/22 where common sense was not only ignored but vilified.

So a 350lb man with CHF and diabetes lays flat on their back in a hospital for 3 weeks because his 02 sat is low then throws a PE when they try to get him up.

Yep. COVID for sure.
Even better, shutting down schools and setting back education for years because of an unfounded fear that Little Johnny might get a head cold. The safest segment of the population, in regards to COVID, was the young. When that argument was effectively shot down due to zero kids having no worse symptoms than the sniffles, the excuse turned to "we have to protect the teachers". Of course THEY were all for that! Stay home, get paid, and spend miniscule time preparing a lesson plan that is emailed to a student. Even when COVID was petering out, it was the teachers and their unions that fought the hardest to keep the fear alive.
Posted by Paytonisablowhard
Member since Feb 2024
1131 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:14 pm to
Hell if you got shot and bleed out it was covid. 100 year old people dying of old age, it was covid
Posted by Hognutz
Member since Sep 2018
2083 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:15 pm to
I totally agree and I have strong opinions on that.
Posted by tigger1
Member since Mar 2005
3542 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:44 pm to
There was a study more than a year ago, it showed near 350k deaths due to covid, the rest were the normal things flu, cold, heart attack, etc. They broke each one down and we still had the near 300k flu deaths.

I think everyone knows about the 12-year-old girl who passed away due to a heart attack, that was reclassify a covid death.

The same thing happened to someone's Uncle I know, he passed away due to a heart attack, and 3 months later it turned into a covid death.

It was all about money.
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