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re: Study: Deporting Illegal Aliens Saves Americans Billions in Tax Dollars
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:26 am to victoire sécurisé
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:26 am to victoire sécurisé
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victoire sécurisé
Here we go , a fricking Libertarian chiming in.
This is about how Federal Tax Dollars are spent.
It has nothing to do with crap like sales tax the criminals pay.
The Federal Government is funded by Income Taxes not sales tax.
Nice try though , you Anti American Libertarians amaze me.
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Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:33 am to victoire sécurisé
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This means that even though the 1st generation cost us money, the rate of return in the economy is well over what any other investment will bear.
Now compare the net cost of 1st generation LEGAL immigrants to the net cost of 1st generation ILLEGAL immigrants.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:36 am to 93and99
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fricking Libertarian chiming in.
This is a message board. Chiming in is the entire purpose. Never considered myself a Libertarian but I’ve been called worse.
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Anti American
Nope. I just think that America is better off with more immigrants than we presently have. I pointed to well-researched evidence to support my opinion.
What’s un-American is constraining human potential behind a wall because we want to protect whiteness (Strannix) or because we want to pretend that these immigrants are a net drain on the economy (they’re not) or because we want to protect our birthright of inflated wages.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:40 am to jrodLSUke
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Now compare the net cost of 1st generation LEGAL immigrants to the net cost of 1st generation ILLEGAL immigrants
The net cost to the economy is different than the net cost to the everyday citizens.
And it doesn’t really take into account the increase in deficit spending at a federal level.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:43 am to victoire sécurisé
Problem is you are referring to this definition of the term "immigrants" with your study:
This report uses the term “immigrant” synonymously with the term “foreign-born.” This follows common practice of referring to the foreign-born population counted in a census or estimated by a survey as “immigrants,” even though technically this population often includes foreign students, temporary workers on H-1B and other visas, and migrants who entered the country surreptitiously or overstayed legal visas.
Whereas OP is referring to category of illegal immigrants exclusively. Thus you're arguing apples to oranges. You arent going to find many people here bitching about foreign born people here legally.
This report uses the term “immigrant” synonymously with the term “foreign-born.” This follows common practice of referring to the foreign-born population counted in a census or estimated by a survey as “immigrants,” even though technically this population often includes foreign students, temporary workers on H-1B and other visas, and migrants who entered the country surreptitiously or overstayed legal visas.
Whereas OP is referring to category of illegal immigrants exclusively. Thus you're arguing apples to oranges. You arent going to find many people here bitching about foreign born people here legally.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:46 am to Hogs78
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Nothing you say has any morals and breaks most of our laws before it gets off the ground. Must be awful to be as miserable as you.
You aren’t getting anywhere with your ignorant raving. Go back to your room. Adults are talking in here.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:51 am to davyjones
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You arent going to find many people here bitching about foreign born people here legally.
In fairness, the asylum seekers are legally here until their claims are adjudicated and this board goes apeshit about this group daily.
But I get your point and generally agree. With a controlled immigration system, those allowed in have much more stability and can get on with putting down roots and building a life.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 11:59 am to TBoy
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In fairness, the asylum seekers are legally here until their claims are adjudicated
That isn't the problem. They're being actively encouraged to cross and seek asylum because the Democrats know the system is overloaded and the chances these people will show up to their hearing in 16 months is low.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:04 pm to TBoy
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You aren’t getting anywhere with your ignorant raving. Go back to your room. Adults are talking in here.
What’s ignorant is that you side with illegal aliens over American citizens.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:08 pm to NIH
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because the Democrats know the system is overloaded
Our present immigration law is not a democrat system. It isn’t run by democrats. Immigration policy is not being crafted by democrats. The democrats are not in charge.
This deflection of any responsibility by the people who are actually in charge ensures paralysis.
I’m not seeing any workable policy change ideas coming from anyone right now.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:09 pm to TBoy
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In fairness, the asylum seekers are legally here until their claims are adjudicated and this board goes apeshit about this group daily.
Valid point. That subcategory does garner bitching. And that's one of the top areas where Trump wants to revise the law. But as of now those individuals are legitimately hands off unless and until they skip out on their hearing.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:10 pm to Warfox
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What’s ignorant is that you side with illegal aliens over American citizens.
If you can read, which is highly doubtful, read my posts. And stop your pathological lying.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:13 pm to davyjones
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But as of now those individuals are legitimately hands off unless and until they skip out on their hearing.
When the process runs its course, and if their claims are denied, they have no right to remain. No doubt about it.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:13 pm to TBoy
I’m seeing one party saying they want to decriminalize crossings and offer entitlement benefits to those who do cross. I think it’s pretty apparent what their position is. Do you support them?
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:15 pm to TBoy
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In fairness, the asylum seekers are legally here until their claims are adjudicated
Actually they aren’t because most of these people seeking asylum travelled through 3 or 4 countries to get here and their asylum claim at that point isn’t legitimate. They are here for the free shite we give them. No reason to go through 3 or 4 countries. They can seek asylum in Mexico.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:18 pm to NIH
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Do you support them?
Personally, I don’t see any benefit to criminalizing crossing without authorization (as opposed to a civil offense) if the result is that the illegal crosser then becomes a ward of the state in an American jail. That just increases the cost.
But to the question of whether uncontrolled movement across the border should be allowed, no it should not.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:21 pm to TBoy
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I don’t see any benefit to criminalizing crossing without authorization (as opposed to a civil offense) if the result is that the illegal crosser then becomes a ward of the state in an American jail. That just increases the cost.
Would you support automatic deportation? Certainly, that would be cheaper.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:21 pm to TBoy
And yet you support policies and laws that incentivize more migrants to cross the border illegally while taking away resources from immigrants that want to enter legally.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:22 pm to NIH
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offer entitlement benefits to those who do cross
And you are correct that in the Dems debate, several candidates were proposing expanding the safety net programs significantly for this population. I posted at the time that these candidates had obviously not given this issue serious thought, and they would get hammered on this issue unless they did. We can treat all humans humanely and still enforce immigration laws. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 12:23 pm to jrodLSUke
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And yet you support policies and laws that incentivize more migrants to cross the border illegally while taking away resources from immigrants that want to enter legally.
Look. Another idiot liar who can’t read.
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