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re: Students are entering college unable to write

Posted on 9/11/23 at 5:18 pm to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 5:18 pm to
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the states where it is accepting to support lgbt actually have higher rates of education


Narrow it down to the blue shitholes counties that are spawning this crap.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/11/23 at 5:26 pm to
I believe this. K-12 was never the best and since covid it’s been exponentially worse.

My daughter (elementary age) today said they talked about 9/11, somehow presidents came up and her teacher said Biden is a great president. This is her first year teaching fresh out of college. I’d rather these idiots who were in diapers at the time not teaching about 9/11 when they don’t know the full impact of that day. I was in 8th grade history when 9/11 happened and was deployed at 19.
Posted by Flightnclouds
Member since Sep 2018
1418 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 5:28 pm to
And that orange man very bad.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
15898 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 5:35 pm to
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My daughter (elementary age) today said they talked about 9/11, somehow presidents came up and her teacher said Biden is a great president


I think mine started getting a light dusting of 9/11 education in 2nd or 3rd grade. Thankfully, our district seems to keep political stuff about presidents, etc. out of anything that the kids hear (according to a lack of such reports from my kids.) If anything, I've had to stop my eldest from talking the way his peers do (Trump is the best, etc.) I'm trying to train him to not make emotional statements when he doesn't have enough knowledge to back said statements up.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 5:41 pm to
I do the same. My kids know my political beliefs, aka value the constitution, but when they discuss it I tell them it’s not appropriate and enjoy being a kid. This mostly applies to my oldest.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
15898 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 5:45 pm to
You have arrived! Welcome! Or should I say Shalom?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 6:00 pm to
This is what happens when you expect everyone to not only go through high school, but college as well.

You lower the standards until they’re meaningless.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 6:10 pm to
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You ever seen obama sign a document, the way he curls his hand around the entire document, its so his writing leans right, he conformed like so many others.

I knew a guy once that told me he was supposed to be a leftie, but the Nuns at his preschool "convinced" him otherwise.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18567 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 7:26 pm to
The most important thing schools do is indoctrinate the youth. Reading and math are secondary.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
15898 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 7:57 pm to
Most people don't understand how true this is

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A “substantial education” is attained through the use of
memory and gives the individual the methods and
habits necessary to acquire the fundamentals of knowledge. The student is to “accept the authority of the
teacher for the truth of what he is told, and does not
question it or seek to obtain insight into the reason for
its being so.”


In the early 20th century, the objective was to make sure every kid learned to happily be a replaceable cog in the industrial machine. The old movie "Metropolis" took on a new meaning after I learned this.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55648 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 8:59 pm to
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Im left handed and my script leans left. My elementary teacher told me its supposed to lean right and I told her that is because a right handed person invented it. She said you get an S-. I said its a small price to pay versus a lifetime of looking like some contortionist every time I want to sign a document.



I'm 64, I don't think people under 55 were around when the ol grade system of E, S, M, I, F was being used. I was in 3rd or 4th grade in the mid to late 60's when it was done away with and replaced with A,B,C,D,F.
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
4151 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:52 pm to
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One problem is the method of teaching basic reading in 1st grade.
Before 1970 it was always phonetics. Then it turned to 'whole word.' Phonetics produced kids who could read much faster and comprehend better.
Most private schools realized this in the 80s and stuck with phonetics. Most public schools still use whole word.




You are exactly right.
When someone learns to read with phonetics it also allows them to see things in other languages and recognize roots, prefixes, and suffixes that come from derivative languages.
Even dead ones like Latin.
I would say 90%+ Americans don't realize how much Latin is incorporated into all Western languages.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:00 pm to
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When someone learns to read with phonetics it also allows them to see things in other languages and recognize roots, prefixes, and suffixes that come from derivative languages.
Even dead ones like Latin.
truth.

I always heard it referred to as "phonics". It is how I was taught as well.

An excerpt description: Phonics
Teach effective phonics using explicit, systematic instruction and practice. Students must learn to match a unit of sound (a phoneme) to the letter or letters that make the sound (a grapheme). Separating the written word into its individual sounds and blending the individual sounds of letters to make words is the foundation of reading.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 10:03 pm
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
15898 posts
Posted on 9/11/23 at 10:05 pm to
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phonetics it also allows them to see things in other languages and recognize roots, prefixes, and suffixes


Are we conflating phonics with phonetics? I don't remember hearing the latter while I was in primary school, just phonics.

I was in elementary school in the middle of the phonics movement. I never understood it. Schwa? Upside down e? Huh? I don't know what those are, and it sure as hell never helped me connect English, French, Spanish, and Italian words together. That was just me reading a lot (which didn't come from school, Department of Defense schools usually.)

Learning to see word roots doesn't, at least to me, have anything to do with the stupid word diagramming or whatever the hell they tried to teach me in the 80s.

My view is that the more you read, of everything, the less people need weird crutches. I admit I learn heavily from inferred context about words and their meanings, and it's not right for everyone.

Understand that the educational establishment benefits from making sure parents are confused at all times. This encourages parents to say stuff like, "I don't know how these teachers do it." The educational establishment likes that.
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