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re: Student loan bubble about to burst

Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:32 pm to
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The average debt load individual graduates carry is up 70 per cent over the past decade, to about $34,000.


That's it? That's all? The price of a Honda Accord? Pay your fricking debt, goddamn. (not directed specifically at OP)




I think..but I may be wrong...that the problem isn't that they have the debt associated with a Honda Accord it is that they have the debt of a Honda Accord but it was used to buy a chinese made electric scooter at Pep Boys...a heaping pile of those folks with that debt e=never earned a degree or earned a degree that was worth less than the piece of paper it was written on...and the special interest groups have know for years and couldn't care less 'cause they were getting theirs.


The entire scam is a disgrace. You tell people to get a degree and better themselves. Many of them do not have the background to do so but they have access to the same funds as those who do have that background. So they go to somewhere like the University of Phoenix, where a person CAN get a degree that is marketable...but it is solely based on the individual (loads of military folks have degrees from UoP and similar schools...they can be worth something). The problem is that so many people start and never finish...and have $35K in debt after just a few years or so and no way in hell of ever paying it back...and can't find a better job because the degree is what unlocks that door...not the 2 years of student debt.

I have told this story on these boards once before but one of these schools....i don't remember the name now...but anyway they contacted my Mother when she was 72 years old and convinced her to apply and fill out the FAFSA. She did but NEVER registered for or opened a "class"....but in about 6 months she starts getting notices that she owes Sallie Mae about $10K!!!! By the time it was over it was closer to $20K....and she had never once went into any of the class sights and did anything other than apply for a student loan from this schools website...and within a couple of years she owed about $20K. The school had actually received about $10K of that the rest was late fees etc. Had she had any kind of income other than social security I feel pretty confident that she would have seen that income garnisheed because the debt collectors who collect these debts are ruthless and they do not need a court order and you can't file bankruptcy. Luckily she had income that was untouchable and after contacting her state representative the debt was wiped out BUT the school still got their money and the taxpayer footed the bill. Those bastards are criminals and should be treated as such...
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140845 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:33 pm to
I am eligible to be forgiven, but I have to work at the low income school for 5 years at least and also work in SPED for 5 years.
Posted by TheXman
Middle America
Member since Feb 2017
2984 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:34 pm to
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They are required by federal law to pay back their student loan. I can never be forgiven.


Yeah aren't student loans like literally the only debt entity these days that cannot be discharged?
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:34 pm to
Run up 100k in credit card debt being a dumbass, there is a way out. Run up 100k in student debt being a dumbass, you fricked.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122484 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:35 pm to
Everyone going to college is at a private university majoring in women's studies and taking out $200,000 in loans!!!11
Posted by Pbhog
Pine bluff, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2015
3460 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:37 pm to
So only the rich should be educated? That sounds very Republican of you. Is that you Betsy Devon?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:38 pm to
Student loans are one of the travesties of modern American society. People cannot fathom the albatross this is around the neck of our economy
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138865 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:38 pm to
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So only the rich should be educated? That sounds very Republican of you. Is that you Betsy Devon?

Thanks for contributing nothing to the subject per usual. At least you're consistent.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:39 pm to
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I am eligible to be forgiven, but I have to work at the low income school for 5 years at least and also work in SPED for 5 years.
Well you still qualify for the public service loan forgiveness program regardless of those conditions are met. Although, that may not be as good of deal for you as the program you're describing.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 1:39 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:39 pm to
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I am eligible to be forgiven, but I have to work at the low income school for 5 years at least and also work in SPED for 5 years.




That's not really forgiven. That's paying them back in another form.

When I meant forgiven I meant though bankruptcy like traditional loans can be forgiven...written off.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43444 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:39 pm to
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Student loans are one of the travesties of modern American society. People cannot fathom the albatross this is around the neck of our economy


Oh they will....

As soon as the Fed jacks up that rate a few more basis points.

Nobody is going to be buying homes. Let alone saving anything.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 1:41 pm
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122484 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:40 pm to
It'll bleed into quite a few sectors. Fewer educated people will be buying houses(or at least anytime soon), they'll be buying used cars, having less kids, etc.

Meanwhile, Clevon will have 7 different kids, all supported by the government.

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:41 pm to
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So only the rich should be educated?
What? The student loan problem has made it costlier for all students, rich and poor. In fact, it's probably harmed more low-income people with the use of loans to essentially subsidize these poor for-profit universities.

You really make some terrible posts.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:42 pm to
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Run up 100k in credit card debt being a dumbass, there is a way out. Run up 100k in student debt being a dumbass, you fricked.



Pay off your student loans with credit cards then default on the credit cards. I suppose you could do it that way but your credit would be f'd for a decade.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:42 pm to
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When I meant forgiven I meant though bankruptcy like traditional loans can be forgiven...written off.
I believe there may be some rare exceptions, but I think you're correct about student loans and bankruptcy. People are still responsible for the loan payment, even if they have successfully filed for bankruptcy.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:42 pm to
We won't be seeing the true impact of this for maybe a generation.

I'd rather spend money reforming student loan debt than bombing brown people that have insulted neither us or our allies, but whatever
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122484 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:44 pm to
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We won't be seeing the true impact of this for maybe a generation.

I'd rather spend money reforming student loan debt than bombing brown people that have insulted neither us or our allies, but whatever


Private schools will take a hurting as well. Educated folk who were having 2-4 kids a couple will be having one, or none.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43444 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:45 pm to
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We won't be seeing the true impact of this for maybe a generation.


This is actually what may crumble the nation from within.

Government does not have an incentive to do anything about it because they collect a ton from interest.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35379 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:45 pm to
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I'd rather spend money reforming student loan debt than bombing brown people that have insulted neither us or our allies, but whatever
Yeah. I always found it strange that since they were serviced by the government, my undergraduate loans had a lower rate than my graduate loans, even though my undergraduate degree was relatively worthless, but my graduate degrees have a lot of value.

Isn't that backwards?
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 1:48 pm to
It's actually a really easy fix. Make student loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy. Done. It's really stupid you can't already. Oh, the poor downtrodden banks might lose money lending $120K to some snowflake for a comparative lit degree at Barnard. Boo fricking hoo.
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