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re: Stop posting the pneumonia drop graph
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/5/20 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
question: is this combining COVID and pneumonia deaths or posting data for non-COVID pneumonia deaths?
I believe it's all pneumonia deaths, whether Covid related or not.
It's a good graph, because it shows a legitimately unusual trend; way more pneumonia deaths than we usually expect. No matter whether you believe that a pneumonia death when Covid positive should count as a Covid death on paper and added to the Covid numbers doesn't matter. This graph shows that pneumonia deaths are way up, and that is probably due to Covid. But even that graph has a lagging data point on the right side.
Here is another good graph by the same guy. Incidentally it comes from a thread where he explains the same thing I'm trying to here, much better than me. Source here. How can anyone argue against the magnitude of deaths being a problem? Even if every single Covid-19 death here was fabricated from flu and pneumonia deaths by thuh lib'rals, it's still way more deaths than usual from flu or pneumonia.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:07 pm
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:02 pm to BarnHater
quote:
I’m not sharing my findings with you. Do your own research. The YouTube videos are out there.
Cool, YouTube is a great place to do research! You can learn a lot about the flat Earth there. I guess there is no point in me trying to argue with you, you are YouTube-educated. Where did you hang the degree?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:02 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Yes.
Are you saying the recent low point there is not really the low point for that particular reporting period?
quote:Because there are really only 2 ways to handle this. Either report the data as it becomes available (like they do), or wait until the data for a given week is "complete" before reporting it. The problem with waiting for the data is there is no way to know when the data is complete. They do know that it is reasonably close to complete after 8 weeks, so the problem is we would never have any data whatsoever for the most recent 2 months.
So, why is it even being reported?
So what the CDC does is report the data as they receive it, as they should. They also make it ABUNDANTLY CLEAR on the site that presents the data that the most recent data is NOT COMPLETE. This fact is spelled out in numerous places on the page, but people ignore that and make misleading charts on purpose.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:03 pm to Microtiger
You don’t need YouTube videos to prove the Earth is flat. I know that it’s flat because I can see it.
Try going outside once in awhile.
Try going outside once in awhile.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:05 pm to Microtiger
All I got from OP is Covid is largely just Pneumonia misdiagnosed
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:05 pm to roadGator
quote:Yes, the animation makes it clear. It's the other chart indicating a drop in pneumonia deaths that gets shared, and it is misleading to those who do not understand how the data is collected and reported. It's intentional disinformation. Do you not see this, or do you not think it's a problem?
Indeed. That’s clear.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:06 pm to Microtiger
quote:
I believe it's all pneumonia deaths, whether Covid related or not.
if that's the case the "gotcha" is a meaningless
quote:
THIS is a good graph, because it shows a legitimately unusual trend; way more pneumonia deaths than we usually expect. No matter whether you believe that a pneumonia death when Covid positive should count as a Covid death on paper and added to the Covid numbers doesn't matter. This graph shows that pneumonia deaths are way up, and that is probably due to Covid. But even that graph has a lagging data point on the right side.
no those are due to COVID
the problem is that wasn't the point of the graph. the graph's point was that a lot of those COVID deaths were inevitable anyway, based on expected annual data.
so the 'pure COVID' deaths are a lot lower than that huge spike
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:07 pm to Korkstand
If you read the posts of done here, you’d think they go to a football game, leave at halftime declaring their team ahead the winner, and don’t card that more points will be scored.
Come to think of it, this is an LSU board.
:-)
Come to think of it, this is an LSU board.
:-)
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:07 pm to BarnHater
quote:
You don’t need YouTube videos to prove the Earth is flat. I know that it’s flat because I can see it. Try going outside once in awhile.
Sorry I didn't realize you were a troll
it's all good fun, mate.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:07 pm to Korkstand
Could one conclude we MAY be in the midst of a rather precipitous drop or at least some sort of leveling? What did the other comparable earlier reporting points look like?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:09 pm to Microtiger
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
no those are due to COVID the problem is that wasn't the point of the graph. the graph's point was that a lot of those COVID deaths were inevitable anyway, based on expected annual data. so the 'pure COVID' deaths are a lot lower than that huge spike
This is such a weird argument. That Covid has killed in a month or so the same amount that we'd expect from pneumonia in a year anyway, so it doesn't matter. That they were old and were going to die anyway.
So like...what's the cutoff where someone is young enough to matter, and where it's enough deaths in a short period of time that you're willing to acknowledge it's a bad thing?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm pretty sure this data is based on death certs that list pneumonia at all. It might list pneumonia alone, it might have pneumonia + flu, or it might have pneumonia + covid, or pneumonia + anything else. Either way it is counted in this data.
question: is this combining COVID and pneumonia deaths or posting data for non-COVID pneumonia deaths?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:10 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:
What did the other comparable earlier reporting points look like?
That is exactly what the animated graph is showing.
They looked like this.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:10 pm to Korkstand
Ask yourself this, is anyone that doesn’t understand the graph going to take the time to understand it? If so, you should not give up.
You are surrounded by idiots every time you leave your home. Those idiots usually control a 3000 lb missile.
People not understanding a graph doesn’t scare me.
Idiots driving cars scare me.
You are surrounded by idiots every time you leave your home. Those idiots usually control a 3000 lb missile.
People not understanding a graph doesn’t scare me.
Idiots driving cars scare me.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:12 pm to Microtiger
quote:
This is such a weird argument. That Covid has killed in a month or so the same amount that we'd expect from pneumonia in a year anyway, so it doesn't matter.
you're king of making a strawman here
what "doesn't matter"?
i'm not downplaying COVID making 2020 more deadly than a non-COVID year. this is about establishing what is/isn't COVID
if you don't make this distinction you're going to widely enlarge the total number of COVID deaths
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:12 pm to ManBearTiger
quote:Sweet take.
All I got from OP is Covid is largely just Pneumonia misdiagnosed
Pneumonia sure is running rampant these days!
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:14 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:IMO we can't come to any conclusion at this point. However, based on the fact that covid deaths seems to be leveling/dropping, I would expect the pneumonia data to follow suit. Pneumonia deaths will probably track down right along with covid deaths, down to the "baseline" level of right around 2500/week.
Could one conclude we MAY be in the midst of a rather precipitous drop or at least some sort of leveling?
quote:That's what the animation tries to convey. It might be difficult to understand given there are so many points and they keep increasing. The main thing to take away is that for this particular set of data, a given data point will never decrease. They always start low, then increase up to the final number.
What did the other comparable earlier reporting points look like?
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:15 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Yes. You can.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:15 pm to the808bass
People like to pull random data and charts to fit their story. Same with global warming and our resident climatologists over on the poli board.
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