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re: Stock market just fell off a cliff... -1,193.70

Posted on 2/27/20 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 3:57 pm to
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It they buying, sell.
If they selling, buy.


I don't think this wisdom, which is being posted by everyone, can be posted enough! What's shocking is that with this wisdom so commonly known to all that the market ever has sellers for buyers or vice versa.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7054 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:02 pm to
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And this is with the QE since last October through repo market and last year lowering interest rates and reversing course after raising them (a paltry 0.25 if a percent three times I believe) to save such a robust economy *cough*--not corona but the bull shite gets me.



The federal funds rate is currently 1.75%. During 7 of Obama's 8 years in office it was 0, and never eclipsed .5%. Since Trump took office the rate had climbed a full 2% to 2.5%, and the economy has been growing while the Federal funds rate was increased. And the stock market also grew inspite of the higher rates. The FED got a little rambunctious by going all the way to 2.5% and then did a few rate cuts, to the present 1.75%.

Your bull shite post shows a complete ignorance to what is going on with interst rates. It is 100% factually wrong.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:03 pm to
OP is wish casting
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27032 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:04 pm to
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Buy while you can.


When it bottoms out sure, it hasn't bottomed out.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:05 pm to
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When it bottoms out sure, it hasn't bottomed out.


How will we know it has bottomed out?
Posted by LakeCharles
USA
Member since Oct 2016
5355 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:05 pm to
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Get out while you can.



So you are the guy that taught my wife to buy high and sell low. It only took her 8 months to lose two-thirds of her investment.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:05 pm to
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I don't think this wisdom, which is being posted by everyone, can be posted enough! What's shocking is that with this wisdom so commonly known to all that the market ever has sellers for buyers or vice versa.


Emotion quite often defeats wisdom

And of course while the rule you cited is valid it probably isn't valid in all cases. For example if you are somebody who let yourself stay way over exposed to stocks way late near your retirement then you probably need to get the frick out. LOL
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:07 pm to
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And this is with the QE since last October


What?

QE ended 29 October 2014.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:07 pm to
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When it bottoms out sure, it hasn't bottomed out.


Calling a bottom is impossible
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27032 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:08 pm to
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How will we know it has bottomed out?


Use a bit of common sense, public panic over this will last a while.

Washington St just closed down a high school because one of the relatives of one of the teachers tested positive. People are freaking out over this. It will not be out of the news cycle tomorrow.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:08 pm to
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And of course while the rule you cited is valid it probably isn't valid in all cases.


Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:09 pm to
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Calling a bottom is impossible


Not if you have common sense.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:10 pm to
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Washington St just closed down a high school because one of the relatives of one of the teachers tested positive. People are freaking out over this. It will not be out of the news cycle tomorrow.




Complete overreactions like this is what will cause problems.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:10 pm to
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quote:

Calling a bottom is impossible



Not if you have common sense.


Are you a billionaire? Serious question.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78348 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:10 pm to
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Unless you are 70 years old and are retiring next month, wait it out
Even then, wait it out.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:11 pm to
Just check a couple posts above mine and maybe you'll get it.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27032 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:14 pm to
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Just check a couple posts above mine and maybe you'll get it.


Or just wait a day, see another drop, and realize that I was right.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7054 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:14 pm to
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Calling a bottom is impossible


I got pretty close in 2008-2009. I had just changed jobs and rolled my 401k over to schwab. It was sitting in cash in my new rollover IRA and the dow was at about 14000. My plan was to do a few buys over about 6 months. Then the bottom fell out. I kept in cash, and started buying big when it hit about 8000. It dropped another 500 or so, then started to rebound.

My wife thought I was some sort of genius, but the truth was i was very lucky, and made a lot of money with those moves.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11881 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:15 pm to
He's talking about the non-qe QE. The repo balance sheet expansion. They took on over $400B in securities which completley wiped out any tightening that occured during the Trump term.

This sell-off is not Corona induced it's the Fed's forward guidance on repo operations for April. Their last minutes indicated that they are going to taper those operations.

Also, the market is pricing in 3 rate cuts. So once the Fed completely folds on their forward guidance, they will cut rates, and establish a permanent repo facility to deal with the regulatory issues and liquidity shortfalls for overnight lending. Just like they did after January 2019, the markets will hit ATHs again on more leverage. They won't let it fall when a communist is a leading presidential candidate.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
28081 posts
Posted on 2/27/20 at 4:16 pm to
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Get out while you can.


Yes... please unload it all, today!
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