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re: Steve Scalise: Law Required Corruption Rooted Out BEFORE Aid Was Released
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:43 am to bmy
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:43 am to bmy
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that an American Vice President acted corruptly. No allegations that Ukrainian officials were complicit. No allegation against the Ukraine government at all
Uhhh, it was proven in testimony last week that the corruption was in the prosecutor's office in Ulrain which led directly to other government officials as well.
What are you smoking
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Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:43 am to bmy
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Joe Biden quite literally did nothing wrong in this specific instance.
You LITERALLY have to be the STUPIDEST MOTHER F*CKER on the face of the f*cking planet.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:43 am to DucTape
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Steve Scalise: Law Required Corruption Rooted Out BEFORE Aid Was Released
Funny how professional and objective newsmen like Chris Wallace and George Stephanopoulos always neglect to mention this.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:44 am to bmy
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Are you surprised that people with influential last names get placed into powerful and/or high paying positions?
Lets get this on record. So you think it was OK for Hunter Biden to be in the position he was in on the BOD of Burisma? It's a Yes/No answer.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:45 am to bmy
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quote: Steve Scalise said that the Aid Package Law stated that President Trump had to ensure corruption was being rooted out BEFORE any tax payer money was sent to any shite holes. If that is true, sounds like President Trump had a lot of flexibility in negotiations. So what is the issue? The issue is that he is asking for an investigation into allegations that an American Vice President acted corruptly. No allegations that Ukrainian officials were complicit. No allegation against the Ukraine government at all Here's the letter certifying that sufficient progress had been made to release the aid btw. LINK
There's no issue with Trump asking Ukraine for any information about US citizens who appear to have been using their political positions for favors. Trump's the chief law enforcement agent of the US government and he knows a lot more of what transpired in Ukraine between 2014-2017 than some Prog/Dim leftist on a political forum. This Ukraine situation is a real concern for Dims because many of them know the corruption that some Americans (Dims) were involved in....Trump and many folks not afflicted with TDS know too.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:48 am to Texas Yarddog
quote:That's only about $110B. I suspect we send quite a bit more than that overseas. We are awarding billion dollar contracts all over the place. It's definitely not exclusive to American-only companies, although it should be (Trump would have it this way if he could).
Yep, breakdown I did was $635 per person (annually) is sent overseas to other countries. This was based on people actually paying taxes (i.e. not including the 44% that pay no income tax). This number included USAID and was pretty quick and dirty.
That money could be better spent going to the local economy or being donated to local causes that the actual taxpayer believes in.
Politicians using our tax money to enrich their families is BS and should be grounds for losing their political seat, being tarred & feathered, and run outta DC on a pole. They (are supposed to) work for us, but, as it stands now, we work to pay money that they graft to line their pockets.
Foreign companies are taking in billions, and just like our foreign aide, chunks of millions are absolutely coming back to our politicians and high level public officials/bureaucrats in all different ways and forms.
Most of these people get paid $200k or less, but some how they all end up multi-millionaires along the way. Hell, some even in the hundreds of millions.
Only brain-fricked mentally ill partisan retards, like bmy, defend these people and think the guy who was already a billionaire, who is losing money hand over fist right now to serve the country, is the corrupt one.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:51 am to bmy
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quote: However, at the tim eof the phone call Trump and Biden were not engaged in any policial race so the whole premise he was seeking dirt on a political rival fails. Biden is curently a political rival of othe rDemocrats and likely will not be matcheed against Trump next year as he is fading fast.
Biden was the clear favorite for the Dem nominee in July/August
That's true^^^, Slow Joe was the Dim hope to unseat Trump but anyone without TDS and a few with TDS knew Joe was going to get smoked.....it's why the Dims are down to their short straw and sucking water today, trying to impeach a POTUS on zero grounds 11 months before the GE. If Trump is the historically bad POTUS you leftists claim he is beating him in 2020 wouldn't be a thing.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:54 am to bmy
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Joe Biden quite literally did nothing wrong in this specific instance. It's well documented that US (both Republican and Democrats) along with EU officials (especially U.K.) pushed to have Shokin removed in the year before Biden threatened to withhold aid -- that effectively kills the allegation of corruption. Unless you think they were all in on it to help Hunter Biden
Ignore the Shokin stuff...it's the money laundering. US money was going to Ukraine. Some of it was being siphoned off to Burisma. Burisma paid it back to Bidens, Kerrys, etc. That's the issue. Follow the money.
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Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:55 am to BeefDawg
Yeah, that was just foreign aid money (State Department and USAID). $50.1B (google search)
Doesn't include all the other distributions to foreign countries.
Like I said, quick and dirty. This is a lower end estimate.
Doesn't include all the other distributions to foreign countries.
Like I said, quick and dirty. This is a lower end estimate.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 9:55 am to DucTape
quote:FIFY.
Regardless, I think the better question is, why in the F**K are we sending ANYONE ANY of our money? Who cares about them?
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:31 am to DucTape
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he Aid Package Law stated that President Trump had to ensure corruption was being rooted out BEFORE any tax payer money was sent to any shite holes.
I don't know why this isn't chapter and verse repeated every time one of these gloablist NeverTrumpers is questioned.
Sonland's statement is about a public "anticorruption" statement - NOT AN ANTI-BIDEN STATEMENT. NOT An Announcement that Trump wanted the Bidens investigated.
Furthermore, I, a taxpayer WANT the Bidens investigated. That shite is shady. To do otherwise is to allow immunity from corruption investigation bc you throw your hat into the ring for election. It's the exact opposite of the behavior you want to encouage.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:34 am to DucTape
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It's amazing how you know everything going on in the government. You must be a god dammed magician. Some simpleton guy on the internet knows everything going on.
The government said there was no investigation
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:35 am to DucTape
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Lets get this on record. So you think it was OK for Hunter Biden to be in the position he was in on the BOD of Burisma? It's a Yes/No answer.
It is absolutely 100% okay. I'm not into telling private businesses who they can and can't hire or how much they are allowed to pay people. Are you?
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:39 am to bmy
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It is absolutely 100% okay. I'm not into telling private businesses who they can and can't hire or how much they are allowed to pay people. Are you?
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:49 am to bmy
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It is absolutely 100% okay. I'm not into telling private businesses who they can and can't hire or how much they are allowed to pay people. Are you?
In certain circumstances, absolutely. For instance, clear cut cases of bribery and influence peddling. Or do you think bribery should only be illegal in the case of cash payments with audio using the word "bribe"?
Posted on 11/18/19 at 10:51 am to KCT
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Funny how professional and objective newsmen like Chris Wallace and George Stephanopoulos always neglect to mention this.
I have heard it mentioned many times, including in the testimonies of Taylor and Kent last week.
What this board (and others) seem to fail to grasp, however, is that there's a formal definition of what is required to be in compliance of that request, and per our own government, Ukraine was meeting that definition. It's not some nebulous concept of "no corruption."
Which makes the hold-up of the funds all the more puzzling, since it was re-affirmed that there was no reason to be doing so (in the context of normal US business).
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:06 am to bmy
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It is absolutely 100% okay. I'm not into telling private businesses who they can and can't hire or how much they are allowed to pay people. Are you?
If the script was flipped and it was a Trump baw getting preferential employment because daddy is the POTUS you phony SOBs would be apoplectic. The only characteristic that's transparent with Dims is their out of control hypocrisy.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:10 am to Strophie
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What this board (and others) seem to fail to grasp, however, is that there's a formal definition of what is required to be in compliance of that request, and per our own government, Ukraine was meeting that definition. It's not some nebulous concept of "no corruption."
You are misunderstanding the certification. The aid cannot be released without the certification. BUT, certification does not require the release of aid. It's just a pre-requisite. The president makes that decision as the sole person with the authority to set foreign policy.
If he wanted to meet with the new president (who was not part of the certification) and have others, including Pence, meet with him to get more comfortable with the new regime, that was within his discretion. There was a deadline for release of funds or lost...he met the deadline.
As much as you and Schiff, etc. want to insert yourself into that policy decision, you don't get to wear the president's shoes. He wears them. That's the end of it.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 11:11 am to bmy
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The issue is that he is asking for an investigation into allegations that an American Vice President acted corruptly. No allegations that Ukrainian officials were complicit. No allegation against the Ukraine government at all
Huh?
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Here's the letter certifying that sufficient progress had been made to release the aid btw.
So one agency’s opinion.
Trump still gets to decide.
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