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re: Stephen Miller- administration considering suspending habeas corpus
Posted on 5/10/25 at 1:32 am to CleverUserName
Posted on 5/10/25 at 1:32 am to CleverUserName
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When the pendulum swings…. It doesn’t just return to the middle.
This Is Beautiful...
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 1:34 am to VOR
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Well, Miller salivates over the possibility Of an autocratic police state. That’s not hyperbole.
Joe... is that you?
Posted on 5/10/25 at 1:40 am to CleverUserName
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creating absolute havoc coast to coast. The killing, the drugs, rape, assault, sex trafficking, pedos, gun running, you know… things you folks could care less about.
To be fair... in my neck of the American Woods... it's a major problem in our blotters the ones that drive without license, insurance, drunk as a skunk and unable to learn enough of the language/culture to understand much less obey traffic rules and signage.
Even the ones that AREN'T "bad hombres" are costing lives, limbs, livelihoods, property and anything else.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 3:43 am to RelicBatches86
so if 20 million soldiers with guns invade does that qualify, I don't give a shite when 20 million people are LET in that is an invasion, hey lefties your idols are fricking you too how bout arrest a busload and start dropping them off these judges and democrats frickin doorsteps see how fast they start complainig frick A DEMOCRAT when ya'll gonna wake the frick up
Posted on 5/10/25 at 6:46 am to ole man
If you leave the door unlocked and 20 people come in and start squatting in your house and refuse to leave, your problem isn't much different than if they had broken in with guns.
Your choices are the same either way. Let them stay or force them out.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 6:50 am to AGGIES
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Man I hear Miller talking about constitutional issues on a seemingly weekly basis now. Usually sounds like he just interprets the law in a manner that is inconsistent with how judges do.
I don't think so. Right now the judiciary is doing everything they can to stop DJT. DJT is pulling out the historical stops to make things happen. Something is going to break. Didn't a federal judge just rule that Trump can't lay off federal employees?
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:17 am to somethingdifferent
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SFP believes there is an invisible "division" between the first idea and the last of the 14th which grants illegals the same due process as citizens even though that eisegetical interpretation makes the last idea completely contradictory to the establishment of a citizen in the first idea.
Me and basically every court who's ever analyzed it, brother.
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Second, SFP invents the idea that in regards to rights in general, citizens get "more rights" and illegals get "less rights" even though that language is nowhere to be found.
Again, I didn't invent that. You're just angry that you don't understand the difference in the use of "person" and "the people" in the Constitution.
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Wait, which case? The one you cited to me had dissent
On a different issue than the due process part. Again, you're really bad at this.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:19 am to somethingdifferent
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You support illegals in the country?
No. Is English your 3rd language?
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The mandate being carried out by duly elected officials is PRECISELY what the majority of voters elected them to do. It is not "mob mentality
It is the factions described in the Federalist Papers to a T
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It's the constitutional representative republic working exactly as designed
Incorrect. The Constitution was made to thwart the emotional swings of the mob. I even quoted Federalist 10 in this thread for people like you who don't understand basic Constitutional history.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:21 am to somethingdifferent
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Hey small govt expert, how do you feel about Trump allowing DOGE to slash fedgov jobs in huge numbers,
Depends on the jobs and if this violates the Constituion
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cut funding,
He hasn't done this. The spending he's authorized is still at Biden levels.
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eliminate the DOE?
He hasn't done this, either. EOs can't do this. Only legislation can.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:22 am to somethingdifferent
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Only if you use an artificially narrow definition of the word, s
Or, you know, the word in use at the time of drafting.
Which courts have already done
And I have posted ITT
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such as invasion has to be one country/foreign power/officially recognized govt making a federal attempt to create incursion into the US.
Well that's what an invasion is.
If you act like a Leftist and change the definition of words, you can make "invasion" mean anything, and man can mean woman, too.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:25 am to theballguy
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I would love to see this happen
What about when the radical rabid left is in charge. This thing can and will work both ways.
I totally agree the judiciary was way way out of control but this is not the solution for conservatives.
This will be used against us. Then no choice but war. Then we all lose.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:26 am to somethingdifferent
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. No rational person would think 20 million illegals in 3 years is not an invasion,
Show me the proof of the coordianted efforts of the governments of Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador, and Mexico to show this invasion, please.
Mass migration =/= invasion.
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You keep posting things that have already been refuted
Just because you don't understand something and can write words confirming that ignorance doesn't mean it's refuting anything in reality.
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You keep acting like you and the courts are on the same side
I'm 2/2 so far in this discussion.
Even more so in the birthright citizenship discussion.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:28 am to AGGIES
Yep.....but worse
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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And? As was explained to you, Grant relied on rebellion, not invasion.
Thats great, but the law allows for the usage during an invasion, does it not? Of course it does. You often deflect when people point out that your hot takes are more lukewarm
And although Grant called it a rebellion for effect, it was clearly a police action. Which is the same purpose Trump would use it for. Heres your clue
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Klan’s goals were supported by many local officials as well as law enforcement, which meant that Klan violence was rarely prosecuted. Klan activities threatened to undermine federal efforts. Therefore, Republican governors and officials appealed to President Grant for help if local and state authorities were unable or unwilling.
Sound familiar?
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:35 am to RobbBobb
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Thats great, but the law allows for the usage during an invasion, does it not? O
Sure, but this was your argument
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And just because you want to ignore what Grant did by requiring the use of the term 'invasion", theres this
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invasion
a: A geopolitical entity, usually in large numbers, entering territory controlled by another similar entity, often involving acts of aggression.
b: Infringement by intrusion.
c: the act of entering a place in large numbers especially in a way that is harmful or unwanted.
You cited a bad example. Why bring up Grant if you were only talking about invasion, when his example had literally nothing to do with an invasion?
You did it so confidently, too
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And although Grant called it a rebellion for effect, it was clearly a police action. Which is the same purpose Trump would use it for. Heres your clue
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Sound familiar?
Citizens rebelling against the law and order of their country? Sounds nothing like mass economic migration of non-citizens done improperly.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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Show me the proof of the coordianted efforts of the governments of Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador, and Mexico to show this invasion, please.
Circumstances is proof enough.
Beliefs will work just as well as precise facts.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP- Why do you get in arguments regarding such stupid themes. If some clown post this is an organized conspiratorial attempt by 4 countries to invade the US, let it go as Q level clownery.
That is not the topic on the thread. Everybody here knows the migrations were caused complicit Biden Admin with open borders and poor economic factors in those nations.
The real threats are radical, illegal far left judicial activism and dangerous over-reaction reflected by this Habeas Corpus suspension idea if its even true.
Stop getting side tracked so easily.
That is not the topic on the thread. Everybody here knows the migrations were caused complicit Biden Admin with open borders and poor economic factors in those nations.
The real threats are radical, illegal far left judicial activism and dangerous over-reaction reflected by this Habeas Corpus suspension idea if its even true.
Stop getting side tracked so easily.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why bring up Grant
Because he suspended habeus for the sole purpose of getting around local judges. Not for putting down any sort of rebellion
Trump intentions are exactly the same
Its quite comical where you choose to draw your lines. Solely based on your preferred words, when the intentions of the actors demonstrate otherwise
Or do I need to define the word 'rebellion' for you too?
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:45 am to Red_and_black
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. Everybody here knows the migrations were caused complicit Biden Admin with open borders and poor economic factors in those nations.
Sure
That's neither and invasion or an illegal action, as I said earlier. I don't approve of it, but I never supported Biden politically, either.
The problem is that evil, dishonest brokers keep repeating these lies and simpletons, neophytes, and emotional types believe it. Then they're willing to support all kinds of tyranny in order to" fix it".
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The real threats are radical, illegal far left judicial activism and dangerous over-reaction reflected by this Habeas Corpus suspension idea if its even true.
Just like this. Same as above.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 8:01 am
Posted on 5/10/25 at 7:47 am to RobbBobb
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Because he suspended habeus for the sole purpose of getting around local judges. Not for putting down any sort of rebellion
So why then did you define the word invasion in your initial post and associate it with his order?
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Its quite comical where you choose to draw your lines.
Reality
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Solely based on your preferred words
When you're discussing laws, words are very important.
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Or do I need to define the word 'rebellion' for you too?
Why, that was clearly irrelevant to your post. You're just trying now to shoe horn in because you've been proven wrong again by me. You specifically rely on invasion and not rebellion.
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