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re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:35 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:35 pm to Azkiger
quote:What do you mean by "experiences" in this context? My entire worldview is shaped by the Bible and generally speaking, the world operates exactly as I would expect it to based on that worldview. I have my faith confirmed every day by my experience.
So you really hope that its true, so much so that you're convinced that it is true (despite having no experiences to back that up).
quote:Do you mean "set in stone" as in it doesn't change or "set in stone" as in it's not something that everyone agrees with? Or something else?
That's fine. Just stop pretending its 100% set in stone.
quote:Anyone can imagine anything, sure. But then we can have a discussion about the merits of that imagined situation like we're having about what I believe to be true and I would suspect any sort of superficial scratching at the surface of those imagined scenarios would show that they are void of reason.
Also, recognize that anyone with an imagination could imagine up a world in which they have access to objective morality - Christians are no exception.
Anyone can make a truth claim. It's why discussion is necessary.
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:35 pm to FooManChoo
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Let's not forget that. God doesn't punish people for merely existing
Tell that to the babies and tribesman who didn’t know about Jesus until he sent them to burn for eternity.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:35 pm to FooManChoo
quote:First off, equating a child molester and ignorant child is quite a leap and I have to worry about an omniscient being that can't wrap his head around a more appropriate punishment, or degrees thereof. I understand that an eye for an eye went out with the Old Testament, but apparently it was replaced with eternal hell for picking a booger.
And if God didn't punish sin, He would not be holy and He would be an unjust judge. What you and others are doing when saying things like this is that God should excuse His creation's disobedience and rebellion because we think he should. It's like the family of the child molester pleading for the judge to let him off because he's an otherwise good boy. If the judge actually let him off even though he was guilty, he would be unjust.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:35 pm to lsufanz
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That's convenient because if I got to decide, I'd say throwing ignorant children in an eternal lake of fire is Evil!
Well it's like even more convenient that the lake of fire isnt real.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:36 pm to FooManChoo
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...and their own sinfulness. Let's not forget that. God doesn't punish people for merely existing. They are punished for their sins. Without Jesus, they are no way to escape the punishment that they deserve.
But by this very explanation, God does indeed punish people for merely existing if they aren't exposed to Christianity.
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He would not be holy and He would be an unjust judge
According to you he's presiding over a kangaroo court, tormenting people eternally for never having heard of Him. A situation He is ultimately responsible for.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:37 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:I think it's obvious who the good guy in the Bible is. We are traitors who rebel against the King and then we complain that the King dares to punish us for our rebellion.
Ok, that's your beliefs and I'm not going to argue them but it does make me wonder who the good guy is in the Bible.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:38 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:I happen to agree, it doesn't.
Well it's like even more convenient that the lake of fire isnt real.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:38 pm to Lg
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Without a standard that is not human, that's all morality is. Whatever you imagine it to be.
And that same imagination can be used to imagine up a way that you'd have access to objective morality. I'm not saying that non-religious people have the high ground here, I'm saying that we're all in the same boat.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:38 pm to FooManChoo
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I would suspect any sort of superficial scratching at the surface of those imagined scenarios would show that they are void of reason.
That sure does sound familiar.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:39 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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A person who hasn't heard the law will be held accountable and suffer for transgressing that law? What constitutes sin in this case?
The shorter catechism answers this for us:
Q. 14. What is sin?
A. Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God.
Basically it's saying sin is breaking God's law.
Since the law of God is written on the hearts of men, when we violate our consciences, we break the law and are guilty of sin.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:40 pm to FooManChoo
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I think it's obvious who the good guy in the Bible is. We are traitors who rebel against the King and then we complain that the King dares to punish us for our rebellion.
The deity described in the Bible is such a good guy that he would punish those who had no possibility of knowing they were even rebelling.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:44 pm to FooManChoo
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What do you mean by "experiences" in this context?
With regards to the bit about faith being the conviction of things not seen. I was expanding the "seen" reference to anything experienced, essentially all of your senses.
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Do you mean "set in stone" as in it doesn't change or "set in stone" as in it's not something that everyone agrees with? Or something else?
Factual. The claim that without capital g God we wouldn't have objective morality is not a factual claim, yet its often made as if it were.
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But then we can have a discussion about the merits of that imagined situation like we're having about what I believe to be true and I would suspect any sort of superficial scratching at the surface of those imagined scenarios would show that they are void of reason.
You and I have already had a discussion about this, and you admitted that your claim couldn't be proven or falsified. But that same admission doesn't seem to have carried over to this thread, where you're back to pretending its factual again.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:47 pm to FooManChoo
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I think it's obvious who the good guy in the Bible is.
By what metric? Remember where you believe your sense of good and evil came from... God.
Of course God would wire you in such a way that you'd think he's a great guy. Based on your own belief system you have no way to tell whether or not God is a good or evil being. All you can do is judge God by the standard God gave to you.
Man, to have that sort of power. I'd design all the hot ladies out there to think that my physical appearance is the definition of perfection for a male... *sigh*
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Explain what you think humanism is, and also why you think you're correct.
Good grief, dude. Humanism is the belief that humans are more important than God or the supernatural. Naturally, a person who believes that focuses on themselves as the ultimate answer. The more I learn the more certain I become that I don't know everything, and all this stuff we see in this world and out is too orderly to have happened by accident.
MAGA
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:50 pm to FooManChoo
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I have my faith confirmed every day by my experience.
Thus the term "confirmation bias"
The fact is that many of the views you have expressed are fundamentally incompatible with what we know to be true about science and history. The world around us absolutely does not confirm the Genesis creation account or the flood account for instance. Our planet could not exist as it currently does if either story were true.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:53 pm to FooManChoo
quote:and by "rebellion" you include any behavior that is inconsistent with our conscience. So the starving kid who has never heard of Christ or God burns forever in the lake of fire for not sharing half the cockroach with his little sister.
We are traitors who rebel against the King and then we complain that the King dares to punish us for our rebellion.
By the way, does an individual with a sociopathic disorder have a conscience?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:54 pm to Azkiger
quote:I'm sorry but I'm not really following you here. I get that anyone can imagine anything they want, but laws of logic and language don't allow for just anything to be imagined and be true. Contrary to popular belief, Christianity abides by laws of logic. In fact, we believe that laws of logic are only possible because of the God of the Bible.
You misunderstand. Anyone can. I can kiss a guy, but as a heterosexual male I choose not to. A materialist could imagine up bullshite, but as a materialist they tend to stick to what can be proven.
quote:When I use the words "objective" and "subjective", I'm using them within the context of the human experience. Anything created in the mind of a human would be subjective as it relates to other humans. Objective, in this case, is something existent outside of the human mind that applies to all humans.
Given the latitude Christians grant themselves, literally anyone could imagine up a world where they have access to objective morality. And they'd be in the same boat. They'd have to assert that its true, they'd have to point at how horrible the world would be if it weren't (it wouldn't), and they'd have no evidence to back up their claim.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:55 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:I agree 100%
Human objectivity is impossible.
quote:In a morally relativistic worldview, you're correct, and that's really my point. When people talk about concepts of morality, I like to bring the discussion here because it shows how those who adhere to moral relativism have no basis for making any judgments against God, Christians, or anyone, really. It always boils down to mere preference.
Evil is a value judgment that is made up by People based on their own associations. Nothing is inherently evil and nothing is inherently good
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:59 pm to FooManChoo
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but laws of logic and language don't allow for just anything to be imagined and be true.
Yes, but that my statement about imagining up pathways to objective morality doesn't depend upon logically inconsistent statements or whatever else to be true. Nix paradoxes and whatever else you're likely imagining up. None of those are needed for someone to imagine up a world in which they have access to objective morality.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:01 pm to lsufanz
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The Bible says that everybody will have a chance to hear the Gospel. This is why the ministry of the missionary is so important.
quote:Would still like to hear thoughts on this
When? Depending on missionaries isn't going to cover everyone.
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