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re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God

Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:07 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:07 am to
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Is Christ also self-evident in nature or only the nebulous concept of a Creator/God?
Jesus and His salvific work is not evident in nature through natural revelation. It requires special revelation (God speaking) to understand that. It's why we are supposed to preach the Gospel to everyone, so that they can know the truth of Christ's sacrifice.

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What if someone believes there is a Creator/God other than the Christian God?
If by "Christian God" you mean the God that has revealed Himself as written in the Bible, then I would say they are worshiping an idol.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:08 am to
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No offense, but I've been down this road before and again, respect your right to believe what you want to believe. For me, I'm OK with saying I don't know.
I'm also OK with saying I don't know. There is a lot I don't know and a lot God hasn't revealed because it is unnecessary for us to know.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63053 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:11 am to
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Pointing your finger at someone else doesn't absolve you of anything.


This comment makes no sense.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:12 am to
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This comment makes no sense.



Yes it does. What about it confuses you?
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:13 am to
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Yes it does. What about it confuses you?


I'm not confused. It's very clear to me that your comment makes no sense.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 11:14 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:14 am to
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I'm not confused.


Yes you are.

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This comment makes no sense.


See.

What about it confuses you?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38339 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:15 am to
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I'm not confused. It's very clear to me that your comment makes no sense.

I'm confused by this comment.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8610 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:16 am to
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No one cares what you believe.


Idiot. That's what the whole thread is about. Belief vs. non-belief. Maybe you're the one that doesn't understand.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63053 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:16 am to
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Yes you are.

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This comment makes no sense.


See.

What about it confuses you?





You communicate like a child.

Do you have a point to make? Or, is this your way of running away from an obviously flawed point of view?
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8610 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:17 am to
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Or, is this your way of running away from an obviously flawed point of view?


You are catching on!!
Posted by lsufanz
NOLA
Member since Dec 2008
4726 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:22 am to
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Belief vs. non-belief.
In fairness, this thread was originally about the supposed consequences of this particular non-belief. And calling him an idiot is not very Christ-like. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 11:24 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46862 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:24 am to
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That's what the whole thread is about. Belief vs. non-belief. Maybe you're the one that doesn't understand.
I think he means that he doesn't care about what I believe. He said that to me so many times during our previous discussions that I lost count, even though he was more than happy to attempt to refute my statements of beliefs or at least call them into question, which seems to imply that he cares enough to discuss it. Whatever. Have fun with that.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:37 am to
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I suggest that you read I Corinthians 15
that's about a spiritual resurrection, not a physical one. its about a ghost. that's why it says he "appeared" in front of people, as if out of thin air.
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Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also
the definition of "appear":
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come into sight; become visible or noticeable, typically without visible agent or apparent cause.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:43 am to
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Idiot. That's what the whole thread is about. Belief vs. non-belief. Maybe you're the one that doesn't understand.




The thread is about the death of Stephen Hawking, sport.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16769 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:44 am to
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Jesus and His salvific work is not evident in nature through natural revelation. It requires special revelation (God speaking) to understand that. It's why we are supposed to preach the Gospel to everyone, so that they can know the truth of Christ's sacrifice.


Wha is the punishment for someone who lives a good life, believes in a creator but never hears the gospel?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:46 am to
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You communicate like a child.


You've never been in charge of anyone in your life, have you?

I communicate at a level appropriate for my audience.

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Do you have a point to make?


I already made my point...

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When it finds its way into legislation, it certainly applies.


See.

Now, what is still confusing to you?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46862 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:48 am to
I think you're forgetting about the word "raised", as He was raised from the dead on the third day.

If you take a look in the Bible, the entire rest of the chapter in 1 Corinthians 15 is about Christ's resurrection from the dead and what that means for us.

The physical body of Christ was resurrected. Just read Luke 24. Jesus even said:

"See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish,and he took it and ate before them." -Luke 24:39-43

Jesus' body was real and physical but it was transformed, as ours will be on the last day. It won't be exactly like it is here now.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:49 am to
I'm always amused when someone equates discussing a point with caring about every detail surrounding that point.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46862 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:50 am to
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Wha is the punishment for someone who lives a good life, believes in a creator but never hears the gospel?
According to Jesus, it is faith alone in Him that saves a person from Hell. If people haven't heard of Jesus (or the "Messiah" in OT Judaism) then they can't trust in His sacrifice as a propitiation for their sins and therefore they are still under the wrath of God for their sins. I imagine their suffering will be less than those who have heard the Gospel and have rejected it, though. Jesus gives such a warning to those who rejected Him.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38339 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:54 am to
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According to Jesus, it is faith alone in Him that saves a person from Hell. If people haven't heard of Jesus (or the "Messiah" in OT Judaism) then they can't trust in His sacrifice as a propitiation for their sins and therefore they are still under the wrath of God for their sins.

So never being exposed to Christianity is their "sin" in this case? That's incredibly fricked up.
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