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re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:46 am to SSpaniel
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:46 am to SSpaniel
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He's incapable of it. I wouldn't even bother, he's not interested in an actual discourse, he's just interested in casting aspersions on Christianity using what he thinks are gotcha statements.
Incorrect. I don't say things just to say them. Even the people who don't like me around here acknowledge this. I don't write out lengthy responses to detail things that are readily available to anyone who is genuinely interested in a discussion, and I never will. If he can't be bothered to find that information on his own, I have no interest in providing it for him.
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:50 am to FooManChoo
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I believe evil is disobedience to the law of God, which is the only objective moral standard we have.
Still wrong. You continue to conflate objective morality with authority.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:59 am to NHTigerFan
quote:Yep.
You really believe we were created in 6 days?
quote:Yes.
So the Big Bang, the cosmos, universes, galaxies, etc make sense?
quote:Thank you, but I'm not denying "science" as a tool humans use to learn about the natural universe. I'm denying certain conclusions that fallible human beings come to which are based on certain assumptions that are used while using the scientific method.
Look, I respect your beliefs but you can’t deny science here.
quote:I think you mean "statistically", and I don't base truth on statistics or else I'd be a lot richer than I am. As Mark Twain said (I don't think it was original to him): "there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Mathematicaly we can’t be alone in the universe
quote:I don't see any evidence in the Bible that He did.
so did Jesus exist on other planets
quote:Who? Alien life? Again, there's no evidence for such in the Bible but considering that is a whole host of life on this planet (not to mention the spiritual beings God created) and only humans are said to be made in the image of God, I'd have to conclude that if life exists elsewhere, that it is not made in the image of God like we are.
were they created in God’s image or just us?
quote:I don't now for sure because the Bible doesn't give a specific date. There are genealogies listed that seem to date the earth to about 6,000 years old but that's only if there are no purposeful gaps in the list. I'd be fine with thousands, tens of thousands, or possibly even hundreds of thousands (but I lean away from this one), but not millions or billions.
If we were created in six days and you also believe in dinosaurs then You think Adam and Eve existed when?
Regarding Adam and Eve existing along side of the dinosaurs, I think the great flood could account for the extinction.
quote:I'm glad you're interested. I'm much more interested in theology and philosophy, though, so I don't plan on going to great lengths to defend my beliefs on these matters. I've done it many times in the past and it just doesn't interest me as much. If you'd like me to go through it with you via email, I'd be happy to share my address with you.
I’m completely fascinated
I'm sure you must be incredulous about me not agreeing with accepted scientific consensus when you think it's so obvious and only an idiot would disagree with it (maybe you don't think that but I've found that to be a common thought by those who disagree with me). I appreciate your civility in this matter.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:09 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:Romans chapter 1 explains that all people inherently know that God exists to one degree or another because of natural revelation (being able to see some of God's attributes simply by perceiving nature) but that they suppress that knowledge and "[exchange] the truth about God for a lie and [worship] and [serve] the creature rather than the Creator" (v. 25).
How could he rebel against something he didn't know existed?
In most cases, this is referencing people worshiping false gods, images, or things found in nature, but it seems more and more these days that it applies towards "worshiping" humanity through the philosophy of humanism. We are the creature yet we reject God and place prime importance on humans and what we can do and achieve.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:18 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm correct on everything, but at least you're making some progress. We'll get you there.
You have to actually say something to be correct. One day you may get the counter point thing down. Right now your only point is at the top of your head.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:19 am to BlackAdam
That's nice.
Speak a little more to Ignatius.
Speak a little more to Ignatius.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:22 am to BlackAdam
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One day you may get the counter point thing down.
He won't. He disingenuous at best.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:24 am to crazyatthecamp
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Without God how do we get something from nothing? How do we get time, space, and matter from the big bang?
I don't know and neither do you. A better question is why is God the default answer to things you don't understand?
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How do we have a basis of good and evil with no objective standard?
What if there is no fundamental, objective basis for good and evil?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:24 am to Lg
My counters are always at an appropriate level for what was originally offered. This isn't new.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:25 am to Lg
It's more like word games that try to confuse whoever he's arguing with. Always puts the onus on you to defend yourself while he doesn't feel the need to do it, himself. There's no room for fruitful discussion with him so I down vote and move on. 
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:26 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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This isn't new.
You're right. It's very old.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:26 am to FooManChoo
quote:Do you not see the problem with this?
I believe evil is disobedience to the law of God, which is the only objective moral standard we have.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:28 am to FooManChoo
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It's sad to think after all that he accomplished on earth that he neglected the one thing that matters: trust in Jesus Christ's atoning work on the cross. Unless he had a deathbed conversion (doubtful), he's begun his eternity of punishment for his rebellion against almighty God.
People like you are a big reason why non-religious people don't like religious people.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:28 am to FooManChoo
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Always puts the onus on you to defend yourself while he doesn't feel the need to do it, himself.
To be fair, the onus IS on you. You are the one making the fantastic, affirmative claim against the null hypothesis. Both logic and the scientific method dictate it is your job to provide enough evidence for your claim that others must reject the bill hypothesis in favor of it.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:31 am to FooManChoo
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I don't now for sure because the Bible doesn't give a specific date. There are genealogies listed that seem to date the earth to about 6,000 years old but that's only if there are no purposeful gaps in the list. I'd be fine with thousands, tens of thousands, or possibly even hundreds of thousands (but I lean away from this one), but not millions or billions.
Regarding Adam and Eve existing along side of the dinosaurs, I think the great flood could account for the extinction.
I love when young earth creationist talk about years...
you should study the vredefort crater basin in S. Africa. Its a scar on the Earth that can be seen from space. Its a 200 mile wide impact site where a 7 mile wide asteroid struck the Earth.
now had that happened in any timeline of young Earth creation dont you think it would have been written about.
The fireball would have engulfed the Earth within a day, the blast wave overpressure would have vaporized buildings and temples in the Middle East nearly 3000 miles away. The impact ejected 1000 cubic miles of bedrock into the atmosphere which would have rained death on the impact side of the Earth.
Strange this is not mentioned in any ancient text...you cant deny it happened, we know it did.
Great thing, it happened billions of years ago
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:32 am to lsufanz
quote:I don't.
Do you not see the problem with this?
Here's where you are misunderstanding: you think that my belief is the hinge that makes this door turn. I'm saying that God is the hinge. If God exists, then my belief or lack thereof is moot.
The existence of a prefect and holy God allows for an objective standard of morality because it would be imposed on humanity from outside ourselves. If all that exists is the material universe, then there is no possibility of objective morality, only a bunch of evolved creatures running around trying to force others to align to our individual preferences.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:33 am to FooManChoo
I'm not an atheist and hate to even get into these discussions, but if you're going to have honest discourse you have to understand you're using circular logic to try and prove your point. What's in the bible is true cause it says so in the bible is not going very far in a discussion about science and objective truth.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:34 am to FooManChoo
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Always puts the onus on you to defend yourself while he doesn't feel the need to do it, himself.
Why would I feel the need to do that? You're the one who has a claim to prove, not me.
You're intellectually weak, with nothing to offer outside of parroted talking points from people like Craig and Turek. I have no desire to give any credibility to your "facts," which you continually tried to support with "my faith" answers.
The fact that you can't tell the difference between authority and objectivity is enough to dismiss you.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:35 am to SG_Geaux
quote:If I'm right, then it doesn't matter if you like me or not. I'm not trying to be offensive; I'm just speaking the truth according to my understanding of it.
People like you are a big reason why non-religious people don't like religious people.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 10:35 am to Lg
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You're right. It's very old.
Yet you still struggle with it...
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