re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God

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No, that would be humanism

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Explain what you think humanism is, and also why you think you're correct.

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by Gaston
Oh geez, you found the close minded person of no worth. You get judgmental merit badge and the one that outs those who are unobservant.

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I’ve read Hawking

Learning of Big Bang “Theory” led me closer to God. I thought who made the mass that “banged???” Who made the space for “bang” to occur? Who made “bang” if that’s truly what happened?

There had to be a creator! Had to be

Science is such great thought and theory and how it lacks the forethought to go all the way to beginning(or “CREATION!”) is totally baffling to me

To be a scientist seems as if it would force the theorist to see the realities of there needing to be a “creator”(they wouldn’t even have to say the word God) that created the mass they originate their theories with!? That creator is what many call God. I don’t understand this God and that’s ok too but I know there’s a creator

Hawking figured Bang had been expanding billions of years. How does he not wonder of the infinite space it expands in not coming from a creator?

In all Hawking’s brilliance he couldn’t let go and be thankful to a God Creator that allowing for the conditions of his theories to take place

Sad for him

I just hope that reaches one Atheist here. Perhaps you’re an agnostic instead of atheist. To me you have to admit a god in saying there’s no god in order to become atheist? If so, doesn’t that make you an open minded agnostic? Being agnostic is where I started. As I tried to then disprove god .... I proved there being a creator that I chose, eventually, to call GOD. It was a slow and long and painful walk but it was worth the miserable journey. There’s now meaning in my daily walk where before I floundered aimlessly throughout all days

Just some thoughts as I wake ......

I wish this journey on all non believers no matter their denial or resistance

Greatest journey I ever took

Without God how do we get something from nothing? How do we get time, space, and matter from the big bang?

How do we have a basis of good and evil with no objective standard?

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Who made the space for “bang” to occur? Who made “bang” if that’s truly what happened? There had to be a creator! Had to be

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Simplistic thinking makes us assume this. My next question would always be “Then who made the creator” in which most religious people have an ambiguous passage that pretty much means ‘he was always there’. My response to that is if you’re going to just infer that the “god” was always there, why can’t we skip the middle man and assume the universe was just “always there”. From what you’re saying is the universe HAD to have a creator, but your creator doesn’t because he’s magic and that’s just how it works.

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he’s magic

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Simple minded thinking.

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by DisplacedBuckeye
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Without God how do we get something from nothing? How do we get time, space, and matter from the big bang?


I don't know, and neither do you.

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How do we have a basis of good and evil with no objective standard?


We don't have an objective standard with your god.

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Great great questions

These are what I asked myself along the journey and I eventually it all came together in that there had to be a creator that I couldn’t understand. Just because I couldn’t understand him didn’t mean he didn’t exist though

Keep asking these great questions

IMO your agnostic or you wouldn’t be asking these thoughtful questions. I know that because I’ve been there

Awesome

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Because by definition any godlike being exists outside of the constraints of the physical sciences. That's why he can predate the universe. The universe, being bound by those space-time constraints cannot.

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This is simply making something that’s non demonstrable infallible. We can’t test it or prove it right, but you can’t prove it wrong so it HAS to be true since there’s no other explanation yet. If we stopped searching for answers when “god” filled the blanks we wouldn’t have antibiotics. I have no problem with Christians, most are good people with good intentions, but when anything good is God’s gifts and anything bad is ‘working in mysterious ways’ then there’s never a scenario where god could have been wrong. Making something unproven unfalsifiable is disingenuous to a very serious degree. The burden of proof is still with the people who think anyone who doesn’t believe like they do (and most likely everyone who’s from the same area) is going straight to Hell.

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Church Father, saint, probable martyr, disciple of an Apostle, 1st generation bishop, explicitly refers to Jesus as God in the 1st century. That pretty well makes my point.

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I don't care who he was. It doesn't make your point. You have one quote supposedly attributed to him, that y'all can't even agree on.

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And you are right on one thing... there are even more specific first century writings from Barabas and Ignatius that also espouse the same doctrine. Belief in the divinity of Jesus is firmly established in the earliest days of the church.

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I'm correct on everything, but at least you're making some progress. We'll get you there.

Speak a little more to Ignatius.

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If you don't, then it doesn't apply, correct?

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Incorrect.

When it finds its way into legislation, it certainly applies.

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What legislation?

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Any legislation driven by religious beliefs.