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re: Stephen Hawking Dead - Hawking Radiation Proves Existence of God
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:11 am to Lg
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:11 am to Lg
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Isn't Heaven and hell only for those who believe?
So you don’t think personal relationships with atheists, gay people, other religions etc are directly affected by Christians knowing they are going to hell? There’s more to it than just thinking they’re going to hell.
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:11 am to TigerBait1971
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Like laws against homicide?
No, not like those laws. Decent people don't need mythology to prevent them from committing murder.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:13 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Any legislation driven by religious beliefs.
So which ones? Be specific.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:14 am to Lg
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So which ones? Be specific.
No.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:15 am to Lg
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Be specific.
This micro aggressive bullshite is so old
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 9:15 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:20 am to olddawg26
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So you don’t think personal relationships with atheists, gay people, other religions etc are directly affected by Christians knowing they are going to hell?
Other than telling that person there's a way that you can avoid it, nah. I do not treat anyone any differently than if they are a believer.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:22 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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No.
Exactly.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:24 am to Lg
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Other than telling that person there's a way that you can avoid it, nah.
You seriously think atheists muslims and homosexuals aren’t treated differently? You want to die on this hill?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:24 am to olddawg26
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This micro aggressive bull shite is so old
It's tough when someone espouses something they can't answer.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:24 am to Azkiger
quote:"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." - Hebrews 11:1
I always enjoy the religious people who speak with such certainty.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:27 am to Lg
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Exactly.
Yep.
You really thought you had something, didn't you?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:30 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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You really thought you had something, didn't you?
Nah, I've dealt with you enough that I knew you wouldn't give an honest answer.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:31 am to Azkiger
quote:Because of the word "objective". "Anyone else" implies that literally anyone can have an objective source for morality when that's not true as evidence by the fact that so many reject anything but what exists in the natural, material universe which has no fundamental moral force or standard. Therefore, all concepts of morality have to come from human beings which by definition makes any human-produced moral standard subjective.
bullshite, if Christians can assert that they have a source for objective morality why can't anyone else?
The only way around this is to have a moral standard that is given to us subjective human beings from outside ourselves. I posit that God exists and has given us a moral code that exists outside of our own minds and thus is objective in relation to humanity.
Please share your objective moral truth and what makes it objective rather than subjective.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:32 am to Lg
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Nah, I've dealt with you enough that I knew you wouldn't give an honest answer.
I don't owe you an answer. It's a stupid point, and you were given a response that was appropriate. If you don't like it, make better points.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:33 am to FooManChoo
Nope.
That's still subjective.
That's still subjective.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:38 am to Lg
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Nah, I've dealt with you enough that I knew you wouldn't give an honest answer.
He's incapable of it. I wouldn't even bother, he's not interested in an actual discourse, he's just interested in casting aspersions on Christianity using what he thinks are gotcha statements.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:39 am to TigerGman
quote:Why not? What does omnipotence have anything to do with whether or not God has the right to do with His creation as He sees fit?
Not when the potter is omnipotent.
quote:True, but what makes that wrong? There are a lot of things that we have the right to do and that we do just because we can. That alone doesn't mean the actions are immoral or "evil".
Having the right is not the same as doing it just because you can.
Also, God doesn't do things "just because [He] can". He does all things according to His will and His plan.
quote:According to what standard? I believe evil is disobedience to the law of God, which is the only objective moral standard we have.
That is what evil is...
I've found when people take issue with the right of God to destroy us as He sees fit, it's because they have a wrong view of God, a wrong view of mankind, and/or a wrong view of our relationship with God. This seems to be true here as you think God owes us something which makes it immoral if God does not give us this thing He owes us.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:39 am to FooManChoo
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it's not evil for a perfectly holy God to punish His own creation for rebelling against Him.
How could he rebel against something he didn't know existed?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:39 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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If you don't like it, make better points.
You are the one that spoke of Heaven and Hell being in our legislation. I just asked which ones.
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If you don't like it, make better points.
Talk about old.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:42 am to Lg
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You are the one that spoke of Heaven and Hell being in our legislation.
No, I didn't.
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I just asked which ones.
Sure, and I gave you the only answer you're going to get until you ask better questions.
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