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re: St. George Oral Arguments Before LA Supreme Court - Today
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:48 am to Lsut81
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:48 am to Lsut81
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BRs argument if St George pulls out, BR cant afford itself because STG is paying more than it receives?
This is it in a nutshell.
The city/parish’s legal argument is that St. George didn’t put forward a comprehensive enough plan to qualify for a ballot issue, and thus that the vote in favor of it was essentially based on falsehoods. They are asserting that the plan St. George organizers put forward is insolvent on its face, that it is simultaneously deficient in the revenues needed to provide the promised services and also too much money for the Baton Rouge City government to continue providing services effectively (services it already does not provide to the St. George area).
St. George proponents need to show that their plan can fund the promised services, and he city needs to show that they cannot.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 11:53 am
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:50 am to teke184
I am encouraged by the questions being asked by the LSC justices. They seem to understand the issues. I particularly enjoyed the look the African-American woman gave the BR attorney when he told her she was wrong about the legacy costs being an accounting issue rather than an actual cost that has to be paid initially.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:53 am to Wiseguy
Which begs another question… how many “legacy costs” are there when BR is not providing any services to St George now?
They aren’t leaving the parish, water and gas are private rather than municipal, stuff like library, parks, public works, etc, are parish rather than city…
They aren’t leaving the parish, water and gas are private rather than municipal, stuff like library, parks, public works, etc, are parish rather than city…
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:56 am to teke184
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Which begs another question… how many “legacy costs” are there when BR is not providing any services to St George now?
Pensions and bond issues?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:57 am to BigJim
Bond issues, yes.
Whose pensions? Lawmakers? Or city / parish workers?
Whose pensions? Lawmakers? Or city / parish workers?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 11:59 am to teke184
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Whose pensions? Lawmakers? Or city / parish workers?
Ostensibly C-P workers. But I’d like to see how they calculate that.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 12:00 pm to Wiseguy
It would be interesting because the St George plan of government is to continue footing the bill for all parish bills they currently cover IIRC.
If so, doesn’t that mean legacy costs are irrelevant for CP stuff?
If so, doesn’t that mean legacy costs are irrelevant for CP stuff?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:04 pm to teke184
When all this was fresh, St. George was positioned to be the 4th largest city in Louisiana.
How would they lack the funds to cover their needs, with a far more scaled down form of government (like central)?
How would they lack the funds to cover their needs, with a far more scaled down form of government (like central)?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:15 pm to udtiger
They muzzled MOP a long time ago. Shame though, she often made our case for us
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:18 pm to Wiseguy
That dollar value estimate by Richards was all wrong (as usual from him). The cost was scaled down to $5.1M by the CP themselves
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:20 pm to udtiger
I guess they have had enough of the forced reparations.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:26 pm to TigerSprings
Speaking of which…
If/when this goes through, St George should be owed tax revenue backdated to the incorporation vote. Especially with regards to any areas within the St George petition which got illegally annexed by BR after the petition was filed.
If/when this goes through, St George should be owed tax revenue backdated to the incorporation vote. Especially with regards to any areas within the St George petition which got illegally annexed by BR after the petition was filed.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:32 pm to teke184
Yep, and those annexation requests that occurred after the legally prescribed date of the election certification which would be the legal date of incorporation would be null and void
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:38 pm to kingbob
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:39 pm to teke184
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Speaking of which…
If/when this goes through, St George should be owed tax revenue backdated to the incorporation vote. Especially with regards to any areas within the St George petition which got illegally annexed by BR after the petition was filed
Yep. They're going to take it in the shorts if they haven't been putting it in escrow (and I can bet they haven't).
And when the annexations are invalidated I am going to laugh my arse off.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:41 pm to tommy2tone1999
Lololololololol
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:41 pm to udtiger
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Yep. They're going to take it in the shorts if they haven't been putting it in escrow (and I can bet they haven't).
This is why they are going to try and jack up the legacy costs as high as they can… they want to offset as much as possible that they would have to pay to St George.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:42 pm to teke184
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This is why they are going to try and jack up the legacy costs as high as they can… they want to offset as much as possible that they would have to pay to St George
That's when St.G. will hire some real fricking economists.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 1:42 pm to udtiger
I hear Paul Krugman will say whatever you want if you pay him enough.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:05 pm to tommy2tone1999
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The Sadvocate - The argument we've had all along
This has been said time after time, and the opponents make the argument that St.G did not provide a budget for voters. EBR can't provide budget, follow a budget or balance a budget without outright theft.
Typical the left accusing their opponents of what they are doing.
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