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Southern Baptists/ Evangelicals went woke
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:34 pm
Woke Church
Well they made it for a 150 years before going heretical. This is partly why I converted to the Orthodox Church because I believe they have been consistent since the beginning. They’ve not changed their doctrine in 2000 years. Granted, there are many Catholics and Protestants that are Orthodox in spirit.
Well they made it for a 150 years before going heretical. This is partly why I converted to the Orthodox Church because I believe they have been consistent since the beginning. They’ve not changed their doctrine in 2000 years. Granted, there are many Catholics and Protestants that are Orthodox in spirit.
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 9:44 pm
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:35 pm to joydivision
Lots of Baptist churches have left the SBC.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:36 pm to joydivision
Non-PCUSA theologically conservative (little-o orthodox) Reformed Presbyterian denominations have stayed mostly solid.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:48 pm to joydivision
Rather than trying to figure out which denominations are more or less woke than others, I think it's more accurate to say certain church leaders are woke. If their politics lean left (which, amazingly, some Christian pastors are liberals), then you're going to get a woke message. And some pastors simply don't have the courage to speak the truth. Speaking truth is the whole point of the church. Many have forgotten that, choosing instead to reinforce the ideals that society says will make them feel better about themselves.
We have to pull our church leaders aside if we encounter this and inform them of the error they are making. And if they reject you, leave that church and find one that speaks the truth. WE are part of the church. We won't effect change by complaining about it, and doing nothing to help. I hope more people will take the time to speak up when they hear lies infiltrating their church.
We have to pull our church leaders aside if we encounter this and inform them of the error they are making. And if they reject you, leave that church and find one that speaks the truth. WE are part of the church. We won't effect change by complaining about it, and doing nothing to help. I hope more people will take the time to speak up when they hear lies infiltrating their church.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:51 pm to Crimson Wraith
My preacher talks about it most sermons.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:53 pm to joydivision
Your link sux
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:55 pm to McLemore
I went Southern Baptist —> Reformed —> Orthodox. If you take the western view of sotierology you have to have cognitive dissonance to be anything other than Calvinist.
If Jesus died for all of the sins of all the people in the world, then everybody would be saved because he would’ve died for the sin of rejecting him. There’s no point for Hell.
If Jesus didn’t die for the sin of rejecting him, then he died for some of the sins of all the people in the world and therefore you are saved by works. You can boast in your salvation theoretically.
Therefore, if Hell exists And to be saved without works, Jesus had to have died for all of the sins for some people, the elect.
If Jesus died for all of the sins of all the people in the world, then everybody would be saved because he would’ve died for the sin of rejecting him. There’s no point for Hell.
If Jesus didn’t die for the sin of rejecting him, then he died for some of the sins of all the people in the world and therefore you are saved by works. You can boast in your salvation theoretically.
Therefore, if Hell exists And to be saved without works, Jesus had to have died for all of the sins for some people, the elect.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:00 pm to LSU Grad Alabama Fan
Fixed. Sorry about that.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:00 pm to joydivision
Out preacher has said legalized abortion is one of the worst things to happen . Our church is definitely not woke but I am sure their are some that are .
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:04 pm to joydivision
Link no work.
Vast majority of SBC are Bible believing conservatives.
There are certainly some woke pastors and even denominational leaders. But each SBC congregation is autonomous, so it has little local impact. Though there is a "liberal creep" that needs to be addressed and shot down on the denominational level.
Vast majority of SBC are Bible believing conservatives.
There are certainly some woke pastors and even denominational leaders. But each SBC congregation is autonomous, so it has little local impact. Though there is a "liberal creep" that needs to be addressed and shot down on the denominational level.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:08 pm to Metaloctopus
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Rather than trying to figure out which denominations are more or less woke than others, I think it's more accurate to say certain church leaders are woke
This. I have conservative pastors and some more liberal pastors at my church. None of them think Jesus isn’t the only way. None of them think that homosexuality isn’t a sin.
I’m all about healthy debate regarding race issues. We can agree or disagree about the impact of the evils of slavery and Jim Crow laws as they relate to the church today. We can argue about women pastors. but as long as we’re arguing with the scriptures as a point of authority, then we can have some healthy debate.
Find me a church that doesn’t hold Jesus as center and scripture as authority, and you’ll find a church headed down the woke path and a path that leads to destruction.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:10 pm to joydivision
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Jesus had to have died for all of the sins for some people, the elect.
This is wrong. Jesus died for all sins and we have free will to believe and follow him. If he only died for some there would be no point of life. Just go straight to Heaven
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:20 pm to joydivision
quote:i think you are either leaving out much biblical context or are adding to God's word in ignorance.
Therefore, if Hell exists And to be saved without works, Jesus had to have died for all of the sins for some people, the elect.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:21 pm to joydivision
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If you take the western view of sotierology you have to have cognitive dissonance to be anything other than Calvinist.
There’s little difference between the hard line definition implied in your post and my Roman Catholic friends who insist transubstantiation explains the transcendental mystery of Holy Communion.
It’s like everyone knows more than St. Paul and the rest of the Apostles.
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Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1 Corinthians 15:1-7
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:23 pm to AubieinNC2009
That’s a great point. But what about the sin of rejecting him?
Before Anselm there was no concept of a legal atonement. For the first millenium It was interpreted that man is sick from sin and that Christ conquered death by death and thus becoming the antidote.
Before Anselm there was no concept of a legal atonement. For the first millenium It was interpreted that man is sick from sin and that Christ conquered death by death and thus becoming the antidote.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:37 pm to joydivision
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That’s a great point. But what about the sin of rejecting him?
What about it? When you accept Jesus as your savior, you receive forgiveness for that sin.
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:41 pm to joydivision
People need to take their fricking churches back. What’s going on now is some warped version of Christianity. All of this has to be pushed by outside forces
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 12/5/21 at 9:58 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Outsiders parading as insiders.
Wolves in sheep's clothing.
But this isn't new. Been happening since Judas.
Wolves in sheep's clothing.
But this isn't new. Been happening since Judas.
Posted on 12/5/21 at 10:02 pm to joydivision
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Well they made it for a 150 years before going heretical.
The Protestants have been heretical since 1517
Posted on 12/5/21 at 10:02 pm to joydivision
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he would’ve died for the sin of rejecting him.
Youve never read the Bible have you?
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Matthew 12:31
“blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.”
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blasphemy -
1. impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.
2. an act of cursing or reviling God.
3. assuming to oneself the rights or qualities of God.
4. irreverent behavior toward that which is held sacred.
So there are clearly acts defined, that you can never be forgiven for.
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