re: South Africa seizing land from white people

Guns are highly regulated in SA. Pretty sure there is an insane waiting period and the cops have to issue a permit for any and every gun and inspect your house

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Guns are highly regulated in SA. Pretty sure there is an insane waiting period and the cops have to issue a permit for any and every gun and inspect your house

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I understand. I'm still betting farmers in rural areas of the country have firearms. That's not going to do much to stop their land from being seized.

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Mandela was 100% the ideological twin of the more militant elements in South Africa

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I disagree with this assertion. The ANC adopted militancy after the PAC, only after the Sharpsville Massacre and the subsequent arrest of 15,000 or so demonstrators. And the initial stage of militancy was focused on sabotage, with other methods adopted during the 70's, when Mandela was at Robben Island. There can be some criticism of his decision to adopt militancy, as some people have argued that all peaceful, diplomatic options were not exhausted, but the Apartheid government at the time had also banned the ANC and the communist party in an effort to shift the frame of the conversation. He certainly doesn't appear to be the twin of any militants, especially in light of Tom Lodge's work, which complicates the degree that other groups and people within the ANC itself agreed and disagreed with Mandela.

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He understood that to Curry favor with places like the United States and Europe and more importantly get political action against the white government he couldn't run around being a murderous a-hole.

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He did understand this, but as he lays out in his speech "I Am Prepared to Die," he had seen what the outcome of racial violence had done before, and thus wanted to avoid a civil war which would make racial harmony an impossibility. He also proposes nationalization and redistribution in the speech, moves he actually resisted for the most part while he was president.

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But just like functionally speaking there is zero difference between Obama and Jeremiah Wright functionally speaking there was Zero difference between Mandela and the militant groups

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Well, the ANC of 1994 is functionally different from the ANC now, as in 2015, the ANC announced that it was following the example of the Chinese Communist Party, which represented a departure from earlier proclamations. Mandela actually highlights the issues with communism and African nationalism in his speech, and discusses why it was important to keep the two distinct. My view is that an ANC led by Mandela is a much different organization than the ANC now, and that implicating him in the organization's move leftward (or rather, more authoritarian) post-2015 is not an accurate representation of the complexity of the situation. I mean shortly after the declaration by the ANC that they would move to a model of economic development exemplified by the Chinese, President Xi offered the country a 60 billion dollar aid package.

Mandela was responsible for a lot, but I think he was sincere in his efforts at reconciliation, which included appointing National Party ministers in his cabinet, supporting the rugby team in the 1995 World Cup, and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which attempted to avoid reprisals from both the Apartheid government and those who struggled against it.

This pretty much sums up what happened in Africa.

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You sound confused.

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Right back atcha...





..."White Bear".

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I should have visited when I had the chance. It's been dangerous there for a long time but frick this shite.

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I fly out there next week. I'll let you know how it goes.

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because only white folks can farm

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Maize



Wheat



Soya



Coffee



Paprika



GDP




Taking land away from skilled farmers and giving it to people unable to farm or even raise capital to keep the farm in working condition is never a good idea. There is a lesson to learn from Zimbabwe, but we all know that liberals have difficulty learning from history.

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what time's the klan ralley tonight, cletus?

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Because facts are racist, right?

I was involved in a discussion with someone in SA about this. Most farmers would give up their land if they were properly compensated.

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Machine would give up his land willingly and serve the warlords in exchange forgiveness for his privilege.

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He's he trust fund type of prog. He's all for confiscation of other people's property as long as his is protected.