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So....recently I learned why "Remember the Alamo" is so important
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:10 pm
Went to San Antonio for the first time (with Mrs. udtiger - no pics) and went to the Alamo.
Don't know what I was really expecting, but what I wasn't expecting was the weight of the place and what happened and why it is important.
As a born and bred Louisianaian, I have a natural antagonism to Texans (nothing personal, just ingrained [and, likely, borne of envy]) so other than knowing the story, the Alamo had no significance for me.
Until my visit.
Those men died for independence...for self-determination...against overwhelming odds. They were slaughtered - fighting to the last man.
In the mission building, there are flags with a smaller flag reflecting the number of people from those states/countries that came and gave their lives for that independence.
States like Pennsylvania, Vermont, Ohio, Tennessee and countries like England, Ireland and Denmark (yes, one from Denmark).
This was only 60 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed. Revolutionary fervor was still present in the American heart.
Bravery. Self-sacrifice. For an ideal.
I did not think I would be moved by the experience, but I was. I think mainly because that devotion really does not exist today. That fighting spirit is in short supply, as evidenced by the way the leviathan government rolls unopposed.
This was hundreds against thousands. The equivalent of fighting F-15s.
They were heroes to their cause. We could sure use them today.
Don't know what I was really expecting, but what I wasn't expecting was the weight of the place and what happened and why it is important.
As a born and bred Louisianaian, I have a natural antagonism to Texans (nothing personal, just ingrained [and, likely, borne of envy]) so other than knowing the story, the Alamo had no significance for me.
Until my visit.
Those men died for independence...for self-determination...against overwhelming odds. They were slaughtered - fighting to the last man.
In the mission building, there are flags with a smaller flag reflecting the number of people from those states/countries that came and gave their lives for that independence.
States like Pennsylvania, Vermont, Ohio, Tennessee and countries like England, Ireland and Denmark (yes, one from Denmark).
This was only 60 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed. Revolutionary fervor was still present in the American heart.
Bravery. Self-sacrifice. For an ideal.
I did not think I would be moved by the experience, but I was. I think mainly because that devotion really does not exist today. That fighting spirit is in short supply, as evidenced by the way the leviathan government rolls unopposed.
This was hundreds against thousands. The equivalent of fighting F-15s.
They were heroes to their cause. We could sure use them today.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 2:12 pm
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:12 pm to udtiger
It has a most profound affect on a person to realize what those men sacrificed there.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:14 pm to udtiger
To douche that downvoted...Show yourself, don't be a pussy!
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:16 pm to udtiger
Watch the 2004 movie.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:21 pm to udtiger
It is a shame that the replica movie set from the John Wayne film down in Brackettville has fallen into disrepair. 30 years ago, it was really cool to see what the entire complex looked like at the time of the battle.
Those 186 men were not fighting from inside a huge, European stone castle. They were fighting behind adobe walls which were in many cases less than man high. Against literally thousands of men.
Granted, most of those men were untrained, conscripted peasants, but there were a shite ton of them.
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On 06 March 1836, Jim Bowie looked out over the wall, then turned to Crockett and said, “Dave, no one told me that we were pouring concrete today …”
(groan)
Joke from the wife, who is in construction.
Those 186 men were not fighting from inside a huge, European stone castle. They were fighting behind adobe walls which were in many cases less than man high. Against literally thousands of men.
Granted, most of those men were untrained, conscripted peasants, but there were a shite ton of them.
=========
On 06 March 1836, Jim Bowie looked out over the wall, then turned to Crockett and said, “Dave, no one told me that we were pouring concrete today …”
(groan)
Joke from the wife, who is in construction.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:21 pm to udtiger
I visited the Alamo years ago and had a similar experience. I had visions of the John Wayne movie "The Alamo" in my mind. Jim Bowie wounded in bed using his last bullet and then throwing his empty gun at his enemy as they killed him with bayonettes. Talk about fighting to the bitter end. Very symbolic of American spirit and defiance against being ruled over.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:21 pm to udtiger
You should go to Goliad. 300 men surrendered and they were in turned slaughtered for it.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:22 pm to udtiger
My will and I went there last year. Awe inspiring.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:24 pm to udtiger
I visited the Alamo and was struck at how small it was.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:27 pm to Zach
quote:The part of the compound which remains in existence in San Antonio is only about half of the size of the fort as it existed in 1836
I visited the Alamo and was struck at how small it was.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:28 pm to udtiger
I mean it's mostly a lie. A bunch of Americans illegally occupied mexico, wouldn't pay taxes, and wouldn't give up slavery. So Mexico attacked.
But it's ok to tell the story about bad brown people to kids in school, because who cares if the brown kids are offended, but dare tell them about slavery and oh no white people offended CRT!!!
LINK
LINK
But it's ok to tell the story about bad brown people to kids in school, because who cares if the brown kids are offended, but dare tell them about slavery and oh no white people offended CRT!!!
LINK
LINK
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:29 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
quote:
I visited the Alamo and was struck at how small it was.
The part of the compound which remains irresistible in San Antonio is less than a quarter of the size of the fort as it existed in 1836
If you consider the plaza and the buildings opposite the mission, you get a better idea of the scale of the complex.
But the church building itself is pretty small.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:32 pm to SaintTiger1
quote:
I mean it's mostly a lie. A bunch of Americans illegally occupied mexico, wouldn't pay taxes, and wouldn't give up slavery. So Mexico attacked.
But it's ok to tell the story about bad brown people to kids in school, because who cares if the brown kids are offended, but dare tell them about slavery and oh no white people offended CRT!!!
LINK
LINK
Well, we have our downvoter. Armed with a Wikipedia page and an Al Jazeera article.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:32 pm to AggieHank86
Your chart doesn't show the basement.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:34 pm to SaintTiger1
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because who cares if the brown kids are offended
I don't, at all. Besides, any person who is "offended" by the battle of the alamo--regardless of perspective--is too weak for society anyway.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:35 pm to SaintTiger1
quote:The truth is a bit more complex than either your little recitation, or the sanitized version which is taught to our Texas children in 7th grade.
I mean it's mostly a lie. A bunch of Americans illegally occupied mexico, wouldn't pay taxes, and wouldn't give up slavery. So Mexico attacked.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:36 pm to udtiger
Let me get this right: Texans declaring independence from Mexico because that marriage wasn't working out for them is hunky dory great.
Fast forward 30 years and Texans declaring their independence because a marriage wasn't working out for them is the most awful thing ever in OUR DEMOCRACY.
Is that about right?
Fast forward 30 years and Texans declaring their independence because a marriage wasn't working out for them is the most awful thing ever in OUR DEMOCRACY.
Is that about right?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:36 pm to udtiger
quote:Yep. As I recall it was just used primarily as an ammo storage space.
the church building itself is pretty small.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 2:36 pm to RougeDawg
Yes the 2004 Version is as close to historically accurate as you can get. I love The Duke but he couldn’t even get the River right.
God Bless the memory of Crockett, Bowie, Travis and 180 other brave men who died for freedom and for Texas!
God Bless the memory of Crockett, Bowie, Travis and 180 other brave men who died for freedom and for Texas!
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