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Someone please explain the historical hatred of Jews...

Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:21 am
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:21 am
Short version please....


Lets stay away from, "they killed Jesus". Why is it that universally, jews have been persecuted, ridiculed, etc.. Moreso than any other sect.
Posted by airlinehwypanhandler
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:23 am to
History shows jews have been kicked out of almost every country they have ever resided in.

Some of the common reasons are usury and jews generally being in charge of the financial institutions, real estate, and banks.

EDIT: I post this from a neutral perspective. Please do not misinterpret my post as being anti-jewish, I am simply citing the reasons that historians would cite.
This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 11:24 am
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53031 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:23 am to
What’s that quote about when everyone you meet is an a-hole, maybe it’s you?
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:23 am to
As an ethic people Jews have the highest IQ. People are always jelly of what they don’t have themselves.
Posted by Sunbeam
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:24 am to
I'm so glad you brought this up. This has needed to be discussed for a long time, and we are the very first people to do so, and will definitely get to the bottom of it.

Take note, world.
Posted by Pdubntrub
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:25 am to
Judeo-christians are the conscience of the world. Immoral and corrupt world hates hearing that they're wrong.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:25 am to
quote:

Someone please explain the historical hatred of Jews...



Because God designated the Jews as his people, Satan wants them exterminated.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40815 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:27 am to
quote:

Please do not misinterpret my post as being anti-jewish, I am simply citing the reasons that historians would cite.


Well I won't, I don't have a dog in the fight. I am just curious.

quote:

Some of the common reasons are usury and jews generally being in charge of the financial institutions, real estate, and banks.


So I always took this as they are smart and get into controlling these things. Seems like most are lawyers as well.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:28 am to
I can't explain it because it makes no sense. Even if the Jews did some things that might have annoyed some people, the sense of decency and tolerance that every Christian should have could in no way ever have allowed the egregious examples of ill-treatment that we've seen in history, past and recent past.

In sum, this historical ill-treatment has been extremely harmful to Humanity, past and present, because of its gross level of Evil.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:29 am to
At least for the European experience:

1. Jews were long insular, easily identified and maintained many of their "other" status cultural traditions, through the European pagan and early Christian period. Much like the Gypsies, Jews were always easy to identify and (where convenient) scapegoat.

2. After the Templars created "modern" international banking and corporations, they were deleted by a French king and willing Pope. Christian restrictions on usury allowed Jews to fill that vacuum for, particularly, international finance (as they had no such religious restrictions).

3. While European nationalism certainly plays a part, the role that prominent Jews played in the early Communist, anti-Royal movements across the continent certainly led to more nationalistic, xenophobic reactions (and scapegoating) to them for various woes (regardless of their actual culpability), culminating in the Nazi Holocaust.


The ME/SW Asian version is going to take longer, but that's my best first take for your "short version please".

This post was edited on 3/6/19 at 11:30 am
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40815 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:29 am to
quote:

'm so glad you brought this up. This has needed to be discussed for a long time, and we are the very first people to do so, and will definitely get to the bottom of it.

Take note, world.


go play with yourself in a room somewhere.
Posted by Numberwang
Bike City, USA
Member since Feb 2012
13163 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Judeo-christians are the conscience of the world.



Judeo-Christianity isn't a thing.

Also, you can't really believe this.

Posted by airlinehwypanhandler
Airline Highway
Member since Feb 2019
2130 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:30 am to
quote:

Because God designated the Jews as his people, Satan wants them exterminated.



This is something I dont understand

Why would the Jews still be God's people if they reject his son?
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19711 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:31 am to
They generally are successful everywhere they go, in the face of persecution. People don't like that because it challenges their notice if their own superiority
Posted by airlinehwypanhandler
Airline Highway
Member since Feb 2019
2130 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:32 am to
quote:

So I always took this as they are smart and get into controlling these things. Seems like most are lawyers as well.



Most religions prohibit usury, but jews are allowed to charge interest to the goyim(non jews). This obviously caused a lot of problems.

Hitler when he got into power took on the banks, which were mostly jewish owned in Germany. This caused the international jewry to declare war on Germany, which is why Hitler began to issue yellow stars to jews and send them to camps - he viewed them as an enemy combatant.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:32 am to
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Someone please explain the historical hatred of Jews...


Envy

For whatever reason, no matter where they end up, Jews, as a group, tend to be more successful than their counterparts.

And, human nature being what it is, NO ONE ever fricking contemplates that the reason this occurs is their own fault. So, that makes Jews a target for hate.

Honestly, it's the same reason all "under" groups dislike "over" groups. No group has the intestinal fortitude to admit that maybe they lose because of their own shortcomings.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36311 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Moreso than any other sect.



There are lots of groups that have been persecuted for various reasons, but Jews have survived that persecution, for whatever reason. That persecution gave Jewish peoples a shared identity, history and a set of experiences which have made them distrustful of non-Jewish peoples.

Historical hatred of Jews has moved in a couple of phases. First there was anti-Jewish feeling, which is distinct from antisemitic feeling, as it was based on religion alone rather than ethnic grouping. That religious feeling changed to a more general ethnic one once Europeans themselves saw themselves as ethnic groups, which was based on a shared language, culture, and religious feeling. The latter, racial antisemitism, has been the most destructive, in my view, because it allowed Europeans to wash their hands of the general antisemitic feeling that characterized European-Jewish interaction for much of history. Not only did it lead to the greatest loss of life, but it also somehow erased the degree to which there was a general antisemitic feeling in all of Europe, a feeling which helped create a situation where the massive loss of life could occur.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79237 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:33 am to
I'm sure some would claim I'm spreading an anti-semitic trope:

Some would say they're insular and typically successful. That combination can ruffle non-Jews, especially if perceived as not suffering in the same manner as everyone else during troubling times.

Strip religion and ethnicity out of it: If one small body of people is doing well (even if by their own work/merit) and most of that success stays within the group, outsiders tend to get miffed.

Counterpoints:

Maybe people shouldn't/have no legitimate basis to get miffed
Maybe Jews aren't as insular as people perceive
Maybe to the extent Jews are insular, they have good reason to be
Maybe Jews aren't as universally successful as people perceive
Maybe to the extent they are that successful, "others" should keep up rather than get pissed about it
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38236 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:33 am to
quote:

So I always took this as they are smart and get into controlling these things. Seems like most are lawyers as well.


Well Islam and the Catholic church both considered lending and collecting interest as usury whereas Jewish culture sees it as perfectly fine (and most would agree today that it is). That's a big issue that the first post nailed. The Jewish people have also always fought for their land in a very contested environment that led to a lot of historical butting of heads between cultures and religions.

The newest thing to hate the Jews for is the belief that they control the financial institutions and media (going back to Germany in WWI, but probably before that as well).

That and the belief that Jews will subvert the nation they are in to benefit themselves or the holy land also heavily ties into it.

I'm sure that like every case there are and have been situations where all of these have been true but to say the entire Jewish people are like that would be wrong.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53031 posts
Posted on 3/6/19 at 11:33 am to
quote:

This is something I dont understand

It’s boomer logic its hard to understand
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