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re: Someone give just one example of systemic racism, just one
Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Giving scholarships to minorities. 
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 12:56 am to David_DJS
quote:Yeah, I thought that's what I said.
Can you think of circumstances whereby what you describe has been reported in the studies is true, but so is the notion that employers were not at all acting in a racist fashion?
quote:Some companies do. In fact this is the driving force behind many companies' diversity hiring practices... it can actually boost profits. It can be hard to design, produce, test, and market products for minorities or women if you don't have any on the payroll. And just in general, better solutions to problems tend to come about when a more diverse group of people are working on them. If everyone comes from a similar background, they will tend to think of similar solutions. Would you prefer 10 people telling you the same thing, or 10 different ideas to bounce around for everyone to choose from? Don't answer that.
Also, if there is a large pool of underutilized black talent, and a humongous pool of underutilized female talent - in this country with a TON of really smart business like, many of them black and/or female, why haven’t any of these really smart business people taken advantage of this situation and blow the dooors off competition by hiring all these I under appreciated, underpaid, and very available employees?
So these companies implement policies to increase workforce diversity in order to overcome the natural biases that we tend to have, because it makes more money. It's not enough to "blow the doors off the competition", but it helps. And of course not all companies have such policies.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:13 am to meansonny
quote:No, but it sounds like you are.
Are you a lender or bank?
quote:Are humans involved at any point in the decision-making process? I said that biases are "likely to be present". I am open to arguments as to how there is no room anywhere in banking for prejudice.
What systemic racism is present in banking?
quote:Hm, you seem to be reading what you want rather than what I wrote. I said that "systemic racism" is not caused by people being racist, but rather unconscious prejudices. I said that all races are likely to be equally (unconsciously) prejudiced against others. Nowhere did I estimate how prejudiced, how many are prejudiced, or anything of the sort for any race. I simply stated in more words what should not be in any way controversial: prejudice exists.
You seem to be shooting bullets, but wildly and without care or tact for your choice of words. You seem to be very cavalier throwing around a heavy word such as racism.
What part of what I wrote is without tact or care? Do you have any specific phrases in mind? Can you quote them? I'll gladly explain myself and rephrase if you find something offensive.
quote:I wasn't slinging shite at anyone in particular, I only named a few areas where systemic issues might play a prominent role. Most problems come down to money in the end. Disagree?
Sometimes, people have biases against those who sling shite on websites.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:10 am to PKTiger
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No, it’s not ludicrous. There’s science that proves that people of certain nationalities or backgrounds have genetic predispositions to MENTAL traits.
Fixed it for you at no charge!
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:58 am to PKTiger
quote:You are arguing from a purely "innate" perspective ... and completely overlooking the question of "nature vs nurture."quote:No, it’s not ludicrous. There’s science that proves that people of certain nationalities or backgrounds have genetic predispositions to physical traits.
Is arguing that arguing that Physical skills tend to be more common in a certain race ludicrous?
I agree with you that the brain of a person descended primarily from Europe or Asia probably has no greater INNATE ability to analyze or communicate. Raised in EXACTLY the same environment, I tend to believe that the distribution of those traits would not vary greatly across the races. Just as I believe that the observed distribution of lower IQs in Africa is likely not a matter of brain structure, but rather a question of social structure.
BUT, the simple fact is that there are two MAJOR problems with applying that reasoning to the racial distribution of major coaching positions.
First, the simple and indisputable fact is that Blacks and Whites in this country are NOT raised in identical environments and that the "mean" environment (from diet, to education, to family environment) for the average American Black is FAR less conducive to the development of those traits/skills than the environment of the average American White.
Second, the simple and indisputable fact is that Black NFL players (the population from whom these hypothetical coaches would almost certainly be drawn) is largely drawn from the lower-end of the American Black demographic, placing them at an even-greater disadvantage than the "average" American Black in the development of those skills/traits.
Science explains the reasons that the number of Black NFL coaches is disproportionately small ... not racism.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:40 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Are you a lender or bank?
No, but it sounds like you are.
Yeah. It makes it easy to see your bullshite and call you out on it.
quote:
What systemic racism is present in banking?
Are humans involved at any point in the decision-making process?
No. Actually. Humans come up with software programs that take into account lending requirements for profitability. Everything is automated from there.
Most underwriting has been that way for 20 years.
Prior to that, there were charts which reviewed credit history manually. Counting accounts, maximum limits, and slow payments. Pretty much what a computer would do but by eye/hand.
You underestimate the power of profitability. You underestimate the power of applying for loans by telephone (no race disclosure unless the customer wanted to volunteer it)
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said that "systemic racism" is not caused by people being racist, but rather unconscious prejudices
Computers aren't conscious you dipshit. And neither are credit bureaus and credit scores which make up the vast majority of the credit decision making process.
quote:blah blab blahs. You don't know jack shite.
Nowhere did I estimate how prejudiced, how many are prejudiced, or anything of the sort for any race. I simply stated in more words what should not be in any way controversial: prejudice exists.
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I only named a few areas where systemic issues might play a prominent role
You may want to emphasize the word might. Because you might be wrong. And as I said, most people are biased against mendacity and liars. So excuse me if I am showing my bias against you.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:41 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
#wherearethestats
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:41 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Democrats not allowing school choice
Posted on 6/12/20 at 10:47 pm to tigerskin
If you have ever been a banker, I have, I can assure you the only color the bank sees is green. Banks actively seek out markets to lend to, and if they can corner the market on the white, black, brown, yellow, red market they will do it.
I used to go into the packing plants in the Midwest to get the Hispanic market.
Bottom line, money lenders know one color...green, and they don't care about race.
I used to go into the packing plants in the Midwest to get the Hispanic market.
Bottom line, money lenders know one color...green, and they don't care about race.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:35 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Racial gerrymandering is probably the most obvious and longstanding example still in practice. The fact that most Americans have no idea what gerrymandering even means or how voting districts lines are drawn are the only things keeping this from ever being the story it otherwise would be.
While not codified into law, the many studies that have shown employers are significantly less likely to interview a candidate with a “black sounding” name compared to an equally qualified candidate with a name not associated with blacks is the strongest academic evidence of a systemic racial bias.
Now I’d argue we’re all biased and always have been and America is better at suppressing this than any other society in history, but to say there is no objective evidence of any type of systemic racism is just false.
While not codified into law, the many studies that have shown employers are significantly less likely to interview a candidate with a “black sounding” name compared to an equally qualified candidate with a name not associated with blacks is the strongest academic evidence of a systemic racial bias.
Now I’d argue we’re all biased and always have been and America is better at suppressing this than any other society in history, but to say there is no objective evidence of any type of systemic racism is just false.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 6/12/20 at 11:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Racial gerrymandering
That one cuts both ways.
Both sides gerrymander.
Have you seen what the democrats have done in georgia in the past?
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While not codified into law, the many studies that have shown employers are significantly less likely to interview a candidate with a “black sounding” name compared to an equally qualified candidate with a name not associated with blacks is the strongest academic evidence of a systemic racial bias
That is implicit bias. Not systemic bias. It is real. But the extent of which is undetermined (legitimate studies on both sides have good points).
quote:
no objective evidence of any type of systemic racism is just false.
You mentioned gerrymandering which has been done by both sides.
And you mentioned implicit bias.
I don't think you have made a coherent point yet.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:13 am to meansonny
I’m not sure how “Democrats do it too” is a refutation, he didn’t specify one party or the other when he posed the question. The fact that both sides do it is kind of the point anyway.
And implicit bias begets systemic bias if extensive enough in a population essentially by definition.
And implicit bias begets systemic bias if extensive enough in a population essentially by definition.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I agree with you. Lending practices through the 80’s were messed up. Different standards were kept, and it was significant IMO. But beyond that and a few random assholes, it’s all imaginary
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:56 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Joe Biden
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:04 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:
I’m not sure how “Democrats do it too” is a refutation, he didn’t specify one party or the other when he posed the question. The fact that both sides do it is kind of the point anyway.
Democrats map a voting district that sidewinds from Atlanta to Savannah to incorporate black populations.
Republicans remove the sidewinder receive claims of racial gerrymandering.
That is not a case of systemic racism.
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And implicit bias begets systemic bias if extensive enough in a population essentially by definition.
It isnt extensive enough.
The same studies show that African american last names have no effect on hiring practices.
The same studies show a trend against both whites, blacks, and other minorities (jews) where poorer sounding names are under the same bias. It is as much a bias against lower class as anything. Not much different than hiring based on visible tattoos, radical hair color, and dress.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 1:05 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 5:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Reverse discrimination is very systemic.
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