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re: Some Americans fear violence after multiple reports of "organized retail theft" (ORT)
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:14 pm to NIH
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:14 pm to NIH
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Ever consider that none of us believe you are a die hard conservative considering you spend hours of your day defending leftist policies and politicians by virtue of playing silly semantics games and obfuscating?
Or that your story is you “retired” from the law in your 50s which doesn’t happen
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Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:17 pm to dgnx6
quote:That is really a matter of semantics, isn't it?
I see what you are saying but the articles kind of contradict that they update all the time.
Is a given state making adjustments every session of its legislature? Of course not. Most states seem to make an adjustment every few decades, but SOME state (somewhere) seems to be making an adjustment pretty much every cycle, which is what I referenced in using the term "all the time."
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:19 pm to Azkiger
quote:No, the state did nothing of the sort. That is an entirely distinct issue for a number of local governments (e.g. San Francisco, apparently), and (as I have said repeatedly) it is troublesome.quote:Did they also create a policy where police offers couldn't try and pursue or detain someone who is stealing less than 950?
They just raised the level of the divider between misdemeanor and felony to $950. States adjust this figure ALL THE TIME, to reflect inflation.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:20 pm to TBoy
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Much of it is organized and directed by drug cartels
Huh?
Source?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:30 pm to AggieHank86
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No, that is an entirely distinct issue for a number of local governments (e.g. San Francisco, apparently), and (as I have said repeatedly) it is troublesome.
Watching you play a game of pivot and changing directions is like watching a retarded kid double dribble up and down the court. I honestly don't know whether to blow the whistle or let you slide as I'm starting to feel bad for you. You are fooling no one at this point.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:30 pm to Timeoday
quote:That seems to be what happens.
There is no question I believe the financials must be adjusted due to inflation. I also believe the punishment should be just as severe as originally intended.
If the threshold in (for instance) Texas in 1879 was $20, that represented about eight days of earnings for an average person (average annual income was about $650). The current Texas threshold of $2500 represents about 12-13 days of earnings for the average Texan, based upon average earnings of about $50,000. Pretty close to the same earning power, though not exactly obviously.
By contrast, the average income in California is now about $78,000, meaning that the threshold of $950 represents only about THREE days of work. In other words, felony theft in California represents a MUCH smaller share of the victim's resources than in a Red state like Texas. The criminal gets MORE punishment for taking LESS in California than in Texas.
Looking at it from a slightly different angle, a thief becomes a felon in California for taking ONE PERCENT of the average victim's average earnings, but in Texas he must take FIVE PERCENT to become a felon.
This post was edited on 8/30/23 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:32 pm to Timeoday
quote:Cost/Benefit analysis.
What I do not undestand is if this ORT is causing a national retailer that amount of money, why are the retailers not providing additional security to stop it?
Despite the viral videos, the AMOUNT (cost) of the theft is clearly lower than what they estimate it would cost to prevent it (both direct costs and indirect).
Capitalism. It is what it is.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:51 pm to Tomatocantender
quote:Friend, I've not "changed direction" even once in this thread. Just walking a nice straight logical line.
Watching you play a game of pivot and changing directions
Posted on 8/30/23 at 12:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They are allowing it to occur to keep minorities out of prison. Thats their only motive.
Rome began to burn when the payoff of the Barbarian hordes ended. THIS is what you are witnessing 1500 years later just a different looking bunch of Barbarians.
We’re now at the point the hordes are overwhelming all abilities to control them and they know it. They won’t stop until THEY get total control. As long as they breathe they will keep escalating.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:39 pm to Sidicous
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Rome began to burn when the payoff of the Barbarian hordes ended.
I do not believe the citizens of Rome were armed. American citizens are which is why I credit SCOTUS with making it easier to protect yourself.
Why stores are unwilling to protect themselves is beyond me. But, in reality, it only takes a couple of violent push backs by ORT's to nip this in the bud.
Oldie but GOODIE!!
Posted on 8/30/23 at 2:51 pm to Timeoday
If this is organized crime, why not prosecute the offenders to the fullest extent of the law and bring RICO and/or other serious federal crimes.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 3:59 pm to AggieHank86
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You are conflating the statewide change in the statute (2010) with the POLICIES in some jurisdictions (circa 2020) of not actively prosecuting some misdemeanors.
Hank, what is your opinion on these jurisdictions not prosecuting these thefts?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 4:43 pm to BlueFalcon
quote:For the 6th or 7th time ITT, it is a problem.
You are conflating the statewide change in the statute (2010) with the POLICIES in some jurisdictions (circa 2020) of not actively prosecuting some misdemeanors.quote:
Hank, what is your opinion on these jurisdictions not prosecuting these thefts?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 5:07 pm to AggieHank86
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For the 6th or 7th time ITT, it is a problem
And for the 8th time in this thread, the subject matter of being able to police and enforce is NOT a separate unicorn issue like you tried deflecting away. It goes right to the heart of the OP subject matter. Thanks for 4 pages of fluff and leftist Kabuki Theatre.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 5:16 pm to Timeoday
Why do they feel violence as a result of organized retail theft? It doesn't seem like organized retail theft is targeting individuals who are shopping, except if those individuals actively choose to try and apprehend the thieves.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 6:38 pm to Mephistopheles
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Why do they feel violence as a result of organized retail theft?
The potential for violence during the ORT episode is bigly huge. As a result of that potential, people just do not want to take the chance of getting in caught in the middle of fire fights or crossfire. As these ORT numbers increase, expect such.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 6:42 pm to Tandemjay
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A non-woke, non-corrupt doj and fbi use to go after organized crime.
(D)OJ and FBI only go after political enemies and parents that go to school board meetings now
Posted on 9/6/23 at 12:10 am to AggieHank86
quote:It's quite predictable that you would be disingenuous about this issue. There is no doubt that DAs have recently instituted policies that decriminalize certain activities.
States adjust this figure ALL THE TIME, to reflect inflation
This bill wouldn't even be necessary if you were correct.
Alvin Bragg not prosecuting strictly for racial reasons
Even NEWSOM admits it's a problem
Portland trying to pass the buck. "Police have learned that responding to crimes like shoplifting is 'not worth their time,' and not worth the effort of getting video footage that could be used as evidence when they know it's an uphill battle with the DA to get the case prosecuted." OOF. Po-po telling it like it is.
This federal legislation would not be necessary if you were correct.
Matthew Graves making excuses and passing the buck. "the U.S. attorney's office, its declination rate of 67% is high compared to other crime-emboldened cities such as Philadelphia and Chicago. Data from the offices indicate that Philadelphia prosecutors declined 4% and Chicago prosecutors in Cook County declined 14%." "Do your job. Don’t just dismiss it just because the evidence is not everything you want it to be or think it should be,"
It's a nationwide problem
quote:You might want to look in the mirror. I just presented you with "some research."
A bit of advice. Don't just repeat stupid talking points. Stop and think. Maybe even do 10 seconds of research
quote:You quibbled over the $950 completely missing the point. It is absolutely not a nothing burger and the alarming rise of violent crime in basically every city can pretty much directly be attributed to the lack of prosecution.
a big nothing burger
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:01 pm to TheQuestion
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You quibbled over the $950 completely missing the point. It is absolutely not a nothing burger and the alarming rise of violent crime in basically every city can pretty much directly be attributed to the lack of prosecution.
So, the division was created years ago. Are we now experiencing the chaos this alarming rise in violent crime is causing? People are and will take matters into their own hands which should stifle the rate of crime, that si, if the MSM (Lying Media) will report the benefits of shooting to kill when being robbed or threatened.
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