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So..honest question...how do you keep this kind of shite from happening?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:24 pm
From a conservative perspective how do you prevent shootings like this? We’re in a state of moral decline so there will continue to be more and more disturbed individuals that go this route.
If you ban or restrict guns you have 2nd amendment issues and we all agree that’s not going to work.
If you restrict gun ownership for people with mental issues then you open the door for the govt to decide who has a problem...and therefore can’t own a gun. So they control the process and it’s open to govt interference.
If you just go to security - that would work but we have armed guards at our schools.
I honestly think the only measure is to clamp down on anyone with a history of making violent threats but then again that’s open to govt control. Maybe if..at the state and local level...anyone that has proven to be a possible threat is restricted from gun ownership?
If you take guns out of the equation - do you make anyone that has shown violent tendencies or that makes threats subject to a psych evaluation and supervision?
I don’t see any solution that doesn’t involve the state cracking down on the individual for the possible threat of violence - which I don’t like...because it opens the door for corruption and overreach.
If you ban or restrict guns you have 2nd amendment issues and we all agree that’s not going to work.
If you restrict gun ownership for people with mental issues then you open the door for the govt to decide who has a problem...and therefore can’t own a gun. So they control the process and it’s open to govt interference.
If you just go to security - that would work but we have armed guards at our schools.
I honestly think the only measure is to clamp down on anyone with a history of making violent threats but then again that’s open to govt control. Maybe if..at the state and local level...anyone that has proven to be a possible threat is restricted from gun ownership?
If you take guns out of the equation - do you make anyone that has shown violent tendencies or that makes threats subject to a psych evaluation and supervision?
I don’t see any solution that doesn’t involve the state cracking down on the individual for the possible threat of violence - which I don’t like...because it opens the door for corruption and overreach.
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Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:28 pm to SquatchDawg
There's no such thing as Utopia.
That being said, there's a reason these mass shooters don't typically shoot up places where it's known there are a lot of armed people.
As counterproductive as this sounds to the Left, having a MORE armed society will probably lead to fewer of these instances.
The media is a big problem too. These shooters don't just snap one day and go on a shooting rampage. They plan this stuff out and want to be famous...normally by getting as high of a body count as possible, which is made easier by "gun free zones".
That being said, there's a reason these mass shooters don't typically shoot up places where it's known there are a lot of armed people.
As counterproductive as this sounds to the Left, having a MORE armed society will probably lead to fewer of these instances.
The media is a big problem too. These shooters don't just snap one day and go on a shooting rampage. They plan this stuff out and want to be famous...normally by getting as high of a body count as possible, which is made easier by "gun free zones".
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:31 pm to SquatchDawg
Well, since everybody is so eager to curtail the bill of rights to stop school shootings, why not looking the freedom of the press to report on them? The publicity and infamy is the primary motivating factor behind most of these shootings
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:32 pm to SquatchDawg
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If you just go to security - that would work but we have armed guards at our schools.
Wrong.
A few of these super dank magnets strategically positioned will disarm the assailant.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:32 pm to stuntman
My personal opinion is that our society is breeding these young males with no grounding of self worth or morality - so they spiral out of control. They’ll find a way to wreak havoc regardless of the method.
But that’s a multi gernational fix that can’t be done with legislation.
But that’s a multi gernational fix that can’t be done with legislation.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:33 pm to SquatchDawg
There are no school shootings in North Korea. So you keep this from happening by limiting freedom . The more uncomfortable you become with what humans do with freedom the more you limit it.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:33 pm to SquatchDawg
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I don’t see any solution that doesn’t involve the state cracking down on the individual for the possible threat of violence - which I don’t like...because it opens the door for corruption and overreach.
Which makes the answer armed security
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:34 pm to SquatchDawg
Yep, I agree completely w/ that too. 
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:36 pm to SquatchDawg
At the end of the day you can only do so much. If some crazy guy has his mind set up on doing this he’s most likely going to do it
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:36 pm to Lsupimp
So it’s a side effect of freedom and the solution resides in what is driving the individual? I believe this and that’s truly where the debate should be held.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:39 pm to SquatchDawg
School shootings didn’t start overnight. The decay of civilization took many years to reach this point. There is not a quick fix. There is not a magic fix. The solution is to promote a society that values others. Children need nurturing stable homes.
As for immediate solutions.
The first step to take is to enforce the laws on the books which will go along ways. Secondly, FBI and local law enforcement need to find ways of determining what a credible threat is.
The second step is to secure school buildings So that visitors must be checked in.
Lastly we need to train students and teachers to beaware of potential threats.
As for immediate solutions.
The first step to take is to enforce the laws on the books which will go along ways. Secondly, FBI and local law enforcement need to find ways of determining what a credible threat is.
The second step is to secure school buildings So that visitors must be checked in.
Lastly we need to train students and teachers to beaware of potential threats.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:41 pm to SquatchDawg
A more robust mental health system would do wonders.
But it’s a fine line to walk between stopping violent psychopaths and making it too easy to abuse to get back at someone. Because I guarantee you there will be people dumb enough or spiteful enough to do it.
But it’s a fine line to walk between stopping violent psychopaths and making it too easy to abuse to get back at someone. Because I guarantee you there will be people dumb enough or spiteful enough to do it.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:44 pm to SquatchDawg
First, and it sounds cliched, but you stop ignoring mental illness. It is by far the most understudied and underfunded branch of American medicine.
Second, you have to start considering that maybe our glorification of violence and death in this country is harmful. The media makes these shooters famous. The most viewed images on the internet the day of the shooting were of the dead victims. Our movies, TV and video games are littered with it. The correlation with mass murder events and media violence is much stronger than the correlation with guns per capita, which has remained fairly static for 200 years.
I firmly believe we all, myself included, are partly to blame for this epidemic.
Second, you have to start considering that maybe our glorification of violence and death in this country is harmful. The media makes these shooters famous. The most viewed images on the internet the day of the shooting were of the dead victims. Our movies, TV and video games are littered with it. The correlation with mass murder events and media violence is much stronger than the correlation with guns per capita, which has remained fairly static for 200 years.
I firmly believe we all, myself included, are partly to blame for this epidemic.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:44 pm to SquatchDawg
It is literally the classic Freedom/ Security argument that has existed for centuries. The Left feels man can overcome his odious nature through The State. He can be perfected. A Conservative believes that human nature is tragic and that with Freedom comes inherent risk. We realize that others may use their freedom for evil. There is a lot less risk in human bondage and slavery.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:44 pm to jacob4bama
I agree with this 100%
And we need to start framing the debate to discuss where these people went wrong and what caused it. Cruz had a lot of issues and there were tons of warning signs.
Part of me thinks that parents should be responsible for the acts of their kids - but that’s a slippery slope as well.
And we need to start framing the debate to discuss where these people went wrong and what caused it. Cruz had a lot of issues and there were tons of warning signs.
Part of me thinks that parents should be responsible for the acts of their kids - but that’s a slippery slope as well.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:48 pm to SquatchDawg
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If you ban or restrict guns you have 2nd amendment issues and we all agree that’s not going to work.
We don’t all agree.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:49 pm to Lsuchs
revamp security. not just one cop at a school type of thing.
as it was mentioned before, nfl stadiums seem to avoid this with no issue.
but of course money is the biggest issue.. but they really need to do something here to make schools as safe as possible.
as it was mentioned before, nfl stadiums seem to avoid this with no issue.
but of course money is the biggest issue.. but they really need to do something here to make schools as safe as possible.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:54 pm to SquatchDawg
It is my opinion that you cannot stop if from happening in the since that we eradicate it without giving up some of our rights (which I am not advocating for, in fact I a firm supporter of the 2A). Not trying to break out into a political theory class, but if you look at social contract theory the idea is that if we were to live in a state of absolute personal freedom then it would be a state of chaos where truly only the strongest, or luckiest, survived. However, we give up some rights (the laws we live under) in order to curtail this state of chaos. As such, it only makes since that the more freedoms you give to a society, the more instances of chaos (such as this shooting or crime in general) you will see. Put another way, the more free a society is, the closer you get to absolute chaos, with the other end of the spectrum being the less free a society, the closer you get to strict authoritarianism.
We happen to live in freest society the modern world has ever seen, and with that comes great responsibility. That responsibility is the price we pay as a society for the freedoms bestowed upon us. That is the basis for my entire view on social welfare (the need for extreme limitations and reform from what we have). However, that same freedom is what leads to incidents such as this shooting. In short, as bad as it may sound, it is the price we pay at times to have such a free society. We work to stop them from happening (and we do more times than not), but sometimes bad things happen.
If I have to choose between people dying at the hands of an authoritative government vs a single member of society that chose to take wrongful advantage of the freedoms they are given, then I'll choose a free society any day. I should say that I do not think that repealing the 2A would automatically put us in an authoritative society, but it was one of the main factors that protects from that possible reality.
We happen to live in freest society the modern world has ever seen, and with that comes great responsibility. That responsibility is the price we pay as a society for the freedoms bestowed upon us. That is the basis for my entire view on social welfare (the need for extreme limitations and reform from what we have). However, that same freedom is what leads to incidents such as this shooting. In short, as bad as it may sound, it is the price we pay at times to have such a free society. We work to stop them from happening (and we do more times than not), but sometimes bad things happen.
If I have to choose between people dying at the hands of an authoritative government vs a single member of society that chose to take wrongful advantage of the freedoms they are given, then I'll choose a free society any day. I should say that I do not think that repealing the 2A would automatically put us in an authoritative society, but it was one of the main factors that protects from that possible reality.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 12:06 am
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Second, you have to start considering that maybe our glorification of violence and death in this country is harmful.
I totally agree with you but then it’s a freedom of speech issue. We as a society need to agree to what the standards are rather than having the govt do it for us. And that’s tough ....I like violent TV and movies as much as the next guy. This needs to happen voluntarily but that horse is already out of the barn.
I watched some old episodes of Gunsmoke and Bonanza recently - prime time shows back in the day - and was struck at how damn different that is to what we have now. The difference was staggering.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:59 pm to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
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We don’t all agree.
Most here agree.
But that said - banning guns doesn’t fix the root of the problem which has been covered.
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