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re: SOH deal is almost done! Deal announced...US says NAHHHHH why do we keep trying???

Posted on 8/6/26 at 7:33 pm to
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6607 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 7:33 pm to
Carpet bomb
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
24724 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 7:59 pm to
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Carpet bomb


Every time I suggest that I get dv’d into oblivion.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13778 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 8:29 pm to
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I wish we would disabuse ourselves of the notion that the regime doesn't have popular support. The funeral of Ali Khamenei definitively showed that the regime is a majoritarian institution, where the major ethnic and religious group, Shia Persians, have an extremely large stake. In any other context, we wouldn't suggest majoritarian institutions in other countries did not have popular support.



I generally agree but it is complicated imo. Iranians do not like this regime's corruption but they see the conflicts with Israel and the US has an existential religious struggle. So those who die in the struggle are martyrs both for their people but also faith. I truly believe an Iran left to its own devices with a huge power vacuum across their decentralized power structure is a recipe for internal conflict.

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39980 posts
Posted on 8/6/26 at 9:00 pm to
I think both things can be true, that Iranians want to reform their government and that the regime has a strong base of support that is beyond what we originally estimated in January. And you are right to suggest that any attack is seen as existential and thus the 'rally around the flag' effect makes the regime difficult to displace.

I personally think that the best case scenario for Iran is to be like Pakistan and Egypt, countries where the military of each are predominant and ever present through the country, as I think the IRGC, given the fact they can employ a decentralized strategy in the first place with decent effectiveness, can centralize after the fighting. I also think that our strikes likely sidelined the less hawkish old school, killing leaders who paved their way through the IRGC during the Iran-Iraq War and instead has elevated a younger officer class who cut their teeth against the US in Iraq and against everyone but the Syrians and Russians in Syria.

The big difference between other militaries of the rest of the region and the Iranians is that faced with a choice, the other militaries would never have decentralized. In addition, without targeting those specific leaders in the aftermath of this war with something tangible, the likelihood of those newer officers using their new found power to go against the IRGC is low.
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4771 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 1:35 pm to
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Sorry haven't been able to watch news today. Can you please provide some more context? Is this "breaking news"?
yeah 47 has been touting a new deal forthcoming to open the SOH. Except when Iran announced it the plan was to not allow US and Israel ships to use it. It's almost like they KNEW it would get shot down and are dragging this process out negotiating in bad faith.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
21305 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 1:43 pm to
I thought it was opened on Wednesday? Now it wasn't?
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
2733 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 1:50 pm to
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Carpet bomb


These people have been fighting each other for centuries. Even in Vietnam it seems carpet bombing was a short term solution. We still had to send boots on the ground. They knew we'd eventually get tired and go home which we did.

Right now Iran knows it can wait it out unless we send boots on the ground, and make the change. The religious zealots ruling are not going to give up so easy.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
7422 posts
Posted on 8/7/26 at 3:39 pm to
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Carpet bomb


That's where I am now. Just load up bombers and keep dropping conventional bombs by the trainload. Just annihilate everything standing in the straits. And then do the same thing to each and every IRGC and Military facility in the country. If we kill a million people then so be it. frick them.

Because we've got enough dumb bombs in storage to pave that place.
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