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re: Social Security thinks there are 20+ million people over 100 years old.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:26 am to Evolved Simian
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:26 am to Evolved Simian
This is why Inspector Generals get fired.
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:27 am to Tigerstark
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Cause if they are some sort of dangling person who just wasn’t closed out in 1957 when they died but they aren’t receiving any benefits who cares?
As long as they are in the database (and not removed from it), a hacker or an insider with access can change information, then turn on the money printer and send $ to an account s/he secretly controls.
The risk of future fraud exists. We don't want to simply clean things up and move on; we want to make changes to reduce the risk of future fraud.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:30 am to theronswanson
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The social security office uses COBOL, which no one on the DOGE team understands how to read or interpret.
You don't think Big Balls knows how to Google?
It may be an obsolete system but it's not like a lost language that no one speaks or reads.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:33 am to Quidam65
Elon must be confused like on Fathers Day
I look for Snopes to torpedo this soon
I look for Snopes to torpedo this soon
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:37 am to Tmcgin
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I look for Snopes to torpedo this soon
You're such a gullible douche.
You should be embarrassed.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:37 am to Auburn1968
Total U.S. Population: 346,558,426
Total People on Social Security: 398,416,213
According to SSA.gov: only 72.9 million are on SS meaning 273.7 million aren’t receiving benefits.
Therefore, we are paying 325,516,213 non-existent people SS.
Total People on Social Security: 398,416,213
According to SSA.gov: only 72.9 million are on SS meaning 273.7 million aren’t receiving benefits.
Therefore, we are paying 325,516,213 non-existent people SS.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:40 am to BozemanTiger
So quick question: is this ALL-TIME or current payments. Never mind: deathfield set to false.
That is pretty bad, HOWEVER, deathfield is not the driver for benefits, it’s going to be the end date of their benefits span. Now they SHOULD line up. But it is possible some moron coder just termed the span on death and was too lazy to update the DOD.
That is pretty bad, HOWEVER, deathfield is not the driver for benefits, it’s going to be the end date of their benefits span. Now they SHOULD line up. But it is possible some moron coder just termed the span on death and was too lazy to update the DOD.
This post was edited on 2/17/25 at 8:43 am
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:42 am to RollTide4547
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quote:what they have paid into the system is far more than what they get
Are you high? I'm 59 and for the last 20 years I've been fortunate enough to max my SS payment each year. This year that max will be around 10K. Twenty years ago, it was was a little over 5k. Average is 7.5K a year, for 20 years or 150K total. If we include the next 3 years at 11K per year, that's 33K more. Prior to 2025, I made peanuts. Maybe paid in 2-3K a year. That's another 16 years at an average 2K, so 32K. I've paid a total of 215K in my 44 years of working.
My SS estimate is that I'll receive 2400+ a month starting at 62. Inflation from 1984 (according to google) shows to be 203.76% ($1 in 1984 is equal to $3.04 today). If I live to 92, I will receive 30 years of SS starting at roughly 30K at age 62. Assuming 3% cost of living a year, I'll receive 70K the last year for an average of 50K. In my 30 years, I'll receive around 1.5 Million in benefits.
The 215K I paid in will pay me back 1.5 million. If I live to 90, adjusting for inflation I will take out more than I put in.
Did you include your employers match?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:44 am to omegaman66
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Most probably aren't getting checks from what I have been told.
Most? Who told you?
Don't they know?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:48 am to VoxDawg
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a person that is 220 today was born before the bill of rights was created
I noticed the years didnt line up as well but let it go on a Monday morning
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:54 am to Evolved Simian
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these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!
I understand that there is fraud being committed here... But WTH does " these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!" mean?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:57 am to Athis
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I understand that there is fraud being committed here... But WTH does " these are the numbers of people in each age bucket with the death field set to FALSE!" mean?
See my response below, I sent this to Elon. I work with federal benefits data alot and, honestly, it could mean absolutely nothing in terms of money going out. He would have to confirm through their code and payment system.
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That is pretty bad, HOWEVER, deathfield is not the driver for benefits, it’s going to be the end date of their benefits span. Now they SHOULD line up. But it is possible some moron coder just termed the span on death and was too lazy to update the DOD.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:00 am to BigBinBR
Mea culpa. You got me on the specific timing.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:02 am to omegaman66
I'd trust the guys with access to the databases over your DU source
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:05 am to jeffsdad
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I keep hearing about this, and I believe its true. I want to know how many of these checks are cashed and if its been stopped.
I remember 60 Minutes did a piece on this about 10 years ago. They crunched the numbers on the checks issued and it was a lot but not millions. There were something like 2,000-3,000 checks issued to people who were over 115 years old.
When the 60 Minutes reporter grilled the SS bureaucrat who was sacrificed to defend the system, he just said "well, it's complicated and it would take years and too much money to fix". The reporter then asked him how many people he thought were actually over 115 in this country, he said "maybe two or three". The reporter then said "well, why don't you at least start there."
There was also a separate angle to the 60 Minutes piece - people who are still alive but were mistakenly declared dead in the SS system. Those poor bastards spent years trying to convince the Government that they weren't dead but it was almost impossible to get the records changed. And once you get labeled "dead" in the government databases, it has all sorts of cascading negatives on your life.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:05 am to theunknownknight
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That is pretty bad, HOWEVER, deathfield is not the driver for benefits, it’s going to be the end date of their benefits span. Now they SHOULD line up. But it is possible some moron coder just termed the span on death and was too lazy to update the DOD.
There's a possibility that it's much ado about nothing in this specific case.
HOWEVER, the federal government has lost all benefit of the doubt, thanks to guaranteed waste, fraud & abuse that's we all knew was going on, but has been confirmed in less than a month while the DOGE boys have been on the scene.
At this point, we should just assume that EVERY federal program is rife with fraud & theft until they prove they are spending the money that they have been allocated in accordance with its intent.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:06 am to JackieTreehorn
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All proud voters in 2020 for Biden.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:07 am to Evolved Simian
Y'all wanna see something right up your alley on this topic?
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:07 am to concrete_tiger
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Fraud is fraud, whether they are receiving a payment or no
Yes but not fraud is not fraud too. People only get taken off of the rolls if their is a death certificate. If you are living overseas and die there. The SS may not have your death certificate and you are not purged from their records.
So that is not fraud. Just an issue with SS having people on the rolls that aren't receiving money.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:08 am to Bass Tiger
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Did you include your employers match?
No. I didn't pay that, the employer was forced to pay that. Maybe he would have given me more money, maybe he'd have kept more profit.
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