- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: So POTUS is tweeting about funding the wall through defense spending.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:03 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:03 pm to bencoleman
you forgot to log in to your cruiserhog alias.
1
Posted on 3/25/18 at 4:41 pm to IllegalPete
quote:
you forgot to log in to your cruiserhog alias
WTF? Kindly GFY.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 6:20 pm to bencoleman
Sure, pal.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 6:38 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:It's literally the exact opposite. The budget is a suggestion, the appropriations (omnibus) are legally binding.
If that answer is "no", then well, he can do pretty much what he wants with this entire bill as it technically is merely a "suggestion" on where to allocate funds.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 6:44 pm to 9th life
quote:
Sure, pal
Not your pal asswipe.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 6:45 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 3/25/18 at 6:50 pm to tigerbait3488
You sure as shite can't vote for sanders.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 7:31 pm to bencoleman
quote:He specifically mentions the 1.6 billion in funding that was allocated to the wall, so I'm not sure why people think he's going to attempt to allocate extra money.
Some explanation about the money and where its coming from.
Besides, Amash specifically addresses this:
And that section allows him to request funds for a specific purpose:
quote:
Each amount designated in this Act by the Congress for Overseas Contingency Operations/Global War on Terrorism pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A)(ii) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 shall be available (or rescinded, if applicable) only if the President subsequently so designates all such amounts and transmits such designations to the Congress.
And they already did this last year:
So just like in this bill, they could request (or not) and allocate them for the Overseas Contingency Operations/Global War on Terrorism. And they did, and the funds went to overseas operations for the War on Terrorism.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 7:43 pm to ABearsFanNMS
quote:
could be training for Reg engineering forces such as the Red Horse and Seabees. Then build bombing and machine gun ranges up and down the border. At that point it becomes a real life version of “Mario” for those fricking free loading pieces of shite. If you want to come to the land of the big PX. You have to scale a 40’ while dodging bombs and machine guns if you want to abuse our welfare and file for tax returns using our citizens’ identities.
Or you could get a fake passport to any of island countries like Puerto Rico and then stowaway to Florida.
PS I want better security just like you, but there are other ways to cross over.
My biggest problem is that the businesses who rely on immigrant labor will find a loophole to exploit the wall.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 8:33 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:06 pm to bencoleman
quote:
LINK
Not quite that cut and dried. I linked this earlier in the Q thread.
Three main things from reading that:
1. People saying the omnibus is not binding are proven wrong.
2. People saying Trump can repurpose / reprogram or otherwise use funds in this omnibus for the wall are wrong.
3. There may be a backdoor into funding located in the 2017 NDAA that gives Trump the opportunity to build the wall.
Item #3 appears to be something that none of us were tracking, including Trump. My question though is whether or not those funds have expired and been taken back up by Treasury. If so, then he really is fricked. If not, then he better seize that opportunity quickly.
All the screaching and accusations about people being turncoats have been misplaced - the concerns and outrage over Trump signing that omnibus are 100% legitimate.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:31 pm to bencoleman
quote:So this is based on a law that wouldn't allow any funds under DOD to be appropriated to the wall, so by taking it out, it gave the defense Appropation committee the ability to designate funds for the wall. Since they didn't, we're back to square one, trying to use mental gymnastics to find some way to redirect funds.
Not quite that cut and dried. I linked this earlier in the Q thread.
But let's be honest. 1.6 billion is already appropriated, and this would be a decades long project so that's plenty anyways to get some started.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:31 pm to starsandstripes
quote:
All the screaching and accusations about people being turncoats have been misplaced - the concerns and outrage over Trump signing that omnibus are 100% legitimate
Not necessarily.
LINK
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:35 pm to bencoleman
quote:According to that, DOD funds COULD BE appropriated for the wall. They weren't. So that loophole looks a lot better for your argument before the appropriations were known.
Not necessarily.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:35 pm to GumboPot
I'm here to collect apologies from those that laughed at this notion when I posted about it Friday and yesterday
Not as crazy now, is it?
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:37 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:Nothing has changed, despite people trying to use a tweet to justify their views, and even though the following tweet specifically references the 1.6 billion that was appropriated.
I'm here to collect apologies from those that laughed at this notion when I posted about it Friday and yesterday
Not as crazy now, is it?
So in the end, Trump got and will use 1.6 billion for the wall, which is a lot of money for the initial part of a long project anyways.
You were arguing that he could basically appropriate funds to something else altogether, and you thought that the Omnibus = a suggestion was correct.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:44 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
So in the end, Trump got and will use 1.6 billion for the wall, which is a lot of money for the initial part of a long project anyways.
You were arguing that he could basically appropriate funds to something else altogether, and you thought that the Omnibus = a suggestion was correct
You are still not entirely correct. President Trump declared a state of emergency so some funds can be redirected. Thomas Wictor had a thread on it and Tracybeanz rounded it out. There are more funds available than the 1.6 billion although that's more than enough to get the project off the ground.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:50 pm to bencoleman
quote:And those funds can be used on Overseas Contingency Operations/Global War on Terrorism, and last I checked a wall is not overseas. And they used the same thing last year, and it was used in Afghanistan, Syria, etc.
President Trump declared a state of emergency so some funds can be redirected.
And Tracy Beanz isn't arguing that he can appropriate it to a wall; she was just pointing out that he can request that money for what I just described above.
To argue that funds for Overseas Contingency Operations/Global War on Terrorism can, let alone should and will, be designated for a wall is a huge legal and logical leap. It's very specific.
I mean 2 days ago you thought that the treasury had the power to appropriate money as it pleased, as evidence Trump would do what you wanted with his 4D chess. Now you're using a specific appropriation that can be requested, for something specific, as evidence that Trump will do what you want with his 4D chess.
Instead of just accepting he signed a crappy and bloated spending bill, you always want to find some 4D chess in there, and will continue to search for it MO matter how wrong or how much of a leap it is. But at the end of the day it was still a crappy and bloated spending bill regardless.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:50 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:56 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
And those funds can be used on Overseas Contingency Operations/Global War on Terrorism, and last I checked a wall is not overseas.
$20 billion for the wall was not much. Now the Democrats have forced Trump's hand to make a sea between the US and Mexico too. That will get expensive.
Page 6 of 8
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News