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re: So POTUS is tweeting about funding the wall through defense spending.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:58 pm to Terry the Tiger
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:58 pm to Terry the Tiger
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$20 billion for the wall was not much. Now the Democrats have forced Trump's hand to make a sea between the US and Mexico too. That will get expensive.
Well it would he much more effective though. 
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Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:06 pm to buckeye_vol
So American tax payers will pay for trump's wall?
Another lie...
Another lie...
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:07 pm to buckeye_vol
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mean 2 days ago you thought that the treasury had the power to appropriate money as it pleased, as evidence Trump would do what you wanted with his 4D chess. Now you're using a specific appropriation that can be requested, for something specific, as evidence that Trump will do what you want with his 4D chess.
Instead of just accepting he signed a crappy and bloated spending bill, you always want to find some 4D chess in there, and will continue to search for it MO matter how wrong or how much of a leap it is. But at the end of the day it was still a crappy and bloated spending bill regardless
Once again you're wrong. I framed my post two days ago as a question. You and the other clown couldn't wait to jump up and mouth off about it. While I may not be entirely right neither are you. The difference being that I'll admit when I'm wrong. You and the other clown move on to your next subject.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:10 pm to buckeye_vol
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And those funds can be used on Overseas Contingency Operations/Global War on Terrorism, and last I checked a wall is not overseas. And they used the same thing last year, and it was used in Afghanistan, Syria, etc
All I've been able to do is find that the funds have been seized for military spending. I haven't been able to nail down exactly where although they're supposed to be ramping things up in Afghanistan.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:11 pm to Clark14
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So American tax payers will pay for trump's wall
They pay for your psychotropic drugs and nobody complains.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:23 pm to bencoleman
quote:Yes:
Once again you're wrong. I framed my post two days ago as a question.
quote:Then you proceeded to answer it with:
Who actually directs the spending and makes the decisions about when and where the money is spent?
quote:So you thought the treasury department directed the spending, AND you went back to the incorrect "it's a spending bill, not a budget" when the budget is not a framework and the spending bill is the law that directs spending.
If I'm not mistaken it's the treasury department. President Trump got his military funded and some say he plans to use the corps of engineers to build the wall. Whether that's so or not the bill that passed was not a budget. It was a spending bill.
quote:No. It's really simple. You were wrong, and we were right because it's a simple process. Congress appropriates money and the money is appropriated per the law.
While I may not be entirely right neither are you.
quote:You just insult a bunch of people, while being completely wrong. And while changing your argument since you are completely wrong, is some sort of acknowledgment of being wrong, you're just trying to find the next argument to support what you are wrong about in the first place while continuing to insult people.
The difference being that I'll admit when I'm wrong. You and the other clown move on to your next subject.
We can go through your posts where you were insulting dozens of people for disagreeing with you, but that could take a long time. But here you are at it again, after being completely wrong about the basic process, now you've resorted to using some extemely unstable dude's tweets (Thomas Victor) to support the same position but you're ignoring the basic legal authority of the new argument (OVERSEAS).
You only care about trying to make Trump look good, no matter how wrong your argument may be, and when proven wrong, rather than questioning your premise, you just try to find and then latch on to the next thing that will support it.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:26 pm to bencoleman
quote:Where they spent it last years is all in this request:
All I've been able to do is find that the funds have been seized for military spending. I haven't been able to nail down exactly where although they're supposed to be ramping things up in Afghanistan.
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Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:56 pm to buckeye_vol
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If I'm not mistaken it's the treasury department. President Trump got his military funded and some say he plans to use the corps of engineers to build the wall. Whether that's so or not
Reading comprehension not your thing huh. Twice in that paragraph I stated I could be wrong but you were so eager to respond that you either ignored that or were too dense to see it. You started the insults not me and you've been called out for being an a-hole by multiple posters so I'm not sure I'd be referencing someone's post history. I normally don't talk to you because I always feel like I have to shower afterwards. My mistake this time. Have a great day.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 11:00 pm to bencoleman
You got slapped around. I’d sign off, too.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 11:10 pm to RazorBroncs
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I'm here to collect apologies from those that laughed at this notion when I posted about it Friday and yesterday
Not as crazy now, is it?
You're part of the crowd that was saying funds would be pulled from the omnibus. That's not happening.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 11:23 pm to bencoleman
quote:You said if "you're not mistaken," then proceeded to make the most asinine of claims that the "treasury directs funding," and even if THAT was wrong (the same thing), you proceeded to say that it doesn't matter because it's not a budget and didn't leave that up to question.
Twice in that paragraph I stated I could be wrong
You showed that you clear know nothing about this process, and instead based it on some anonymous chain letter without verifying basic facts. Then when that was shown to be completely false, you just find the next argument that supports it, again without any verification.
quote:Where did I insult you, unless you consider calling out you're false information an insult?
You started the insults not me
quote:I'm pretty insufferable, but I don't have to resort to posts like this (from you):
you've been called out for being an a-hole by multiple posters so I'm not sure I'd be referencing someone's post history.
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Not your pal asswipe.
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WTF? Kindly GFY.
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You are fricking stupid and you don't know what the frick you're talking about. You think that you've insulted me but it just makes you look like a huge gaping pussy.
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Clown
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Vermin fits for the lefties here.
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Democrats are, in fact, vermin and need to be rounded up.
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Another baby back bitch.
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Bunch of crybaby bitches in this thread. Trump will come out on top again and all of you will be exposed as sackless chicken little bitches.
quote:And those were related to the Omnibus reaction.
Lowest form of life in the universe.
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I normally don't talk to you because I always feel like I have to shower afterwards. My mistake this time. Have a great day.
Well that's nicer than what I quoted so have a nice shower. Posted on 3/25/18 at 11:41 pm to buckeye_vol
A total wall of bullshite. As usual you're full of shite but I'm all up in your head. Idiot.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 11:50 pm to bencoleman
quote:They're your posts, and your reasoning. I guess you'll have to take that up with yourself.
A total wall of bull shite. As usual you're full of shite but I'm all up in your head. Idiot.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 1:01 am to Boatshoes
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He is specifically barred from using Omnibus funds to build a wall.
No he is barred from using the $1.6 billion to build a barrier that is not a design already in place.
The amounts designated in subsection (a)(2) through (a)(4) shall only be available for operationally effective designs deployed as of the date of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2017, (Public Law 115–31), such as currently deployed steel bollard designs, that prioritize agent safety.
That is a picture of a section of the currently deployed steel bollard design, and the official name of that design is the steel bollard wall!
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In other words, maintenance of pre-existing fences only.
WRONG! Only $445,000,000 of the $1,571,000,000 is dedicated to maintenance of pre-existing fences. There is approximately $900,000,000 appropriated for the construction of new segments of a "border fence" using the currently deployed steel bollard design (aka the steel bollard wall).
So Trump got $1,571,000,000 of the $1,800,000,000, which that he originally requested for a border wall in FY18. That means he got 87% of the money that he wanted for this year, and the only down side is the media can call it a fence instead of a wall. That is not a terrible deal.
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Also the DOD has been authorized to maintain our national security and has been authorized for drug interdiction, and the defense budget has an $4,250,000,000 that is not allocated and can be transferred within the DOD. So all Trump has to do is get Mattis to agree to move some of that $4,250,000,000 that is not allocated to the Army COE to build the wall because it is a matter of national security and drug interdiction measure. There is nothing the libs can say or do about that because they voted for.
Trump can also transfer any money saved on any DHS project or program to building a wall of any design because it is only the $1.6billion that is allocated that has the restriction. He just has to do so before midnight on 9/30/18.
You do not have to take my word for it though, feel free to read the 2,000 page plus law for yourself.
This post was edited on 3/26/18 at 1:15 am
Posted on 3/26/18 at 5:12 am to Clark14
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So American tax payers will pay for trump's wall?
We are also paying for benefits of thousands upon thousands of illegals every year.
FFS people, give this thing a full term before going full retard. Dont stoop to our leftist low testosterone levels.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 6:07 am to WeeWee
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So all Trump has to do is get Mattis to agree to move some of that $4,250,000,000 that is not allocated to the Army COE
Well, assuming what you say is correct, he doesn't have to get Mattis to do anything. He is Mattis's boss.
This is risky though - that wall is specifically mentioned in the omnibus. Trying to move money around will likely be met by litigation from the Dems, arguing that Congress expressed that moneies not be used for that wall etc etc etc. Trump would likely win in the end, but it would delay things forever.
However, if it's true the 2017 NDAA has a backdoor in it, then he should be free and clear.
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You do not have to take my word for it though, feel free to read the 2,000 page plus law for yourself.
It really pisses me off that we as taxpayers will have to read that 2300 page monstrosity - not only because it's prudent, but because our elected officials refuse to do so before voting on our behalf and spending our money. This is the only reason Trump needed to veto that bill. I find it totally unacceptable to have legislation advanced, knowing it won't be read, yet these assholes vote on it anyway. It's just unacceptable and I can't see how it's Constitutional.
I hope everyone realizes that Congress is now on vacation. By the time those lazy fricks get back to work, the majority of the American people will have read more of that omnibus than any member of Congress. It should be grounds for immediate impeachment - how can you represent a voting block if you don't read the items you're to vote on? Mindnumbing and infuriating.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 6:11 am to starsandstripes
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However, if it's true the 2017 NDAA has a backdoor in it, then he should be free and clear.
Then STFU. For once...
Posted on 3/26/18 at 7:24 am to Errerrerrwere
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Then STFU. For once...
Oh, did my objectivity and refusal to be an echoing cult member offend you?
Posted on 3/26/18 at 9:07 am to buckeye_vol
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They're your posts, and your reasoning. I guess you'll have to take that up with yourself
With you're retarded spin on it. If you weren't so full of shite you'd see that the links I posted didn't help my original argument at all. I was simply trying to shed some light on the process. I absolutely didn't know anything about it in the beginning. The difference between me and you is I can admit it. You ignorant frick.
Posted on 3/26/18 at 9:42 am to starsandstripes
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Well, assuming what you say is correct, he doesn't have to get Mattis to do anything. He is Mattis's boss.
True.
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This is risky though - that wall is specifically mentioned in the omnibus. Trying to move money around will likely be met by litigation from the Dems, arguing that Congress expressed that moneies not be used for that wall etc etc etc. Trump would likely win in the end, but it would delay things forever.
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This is risky though
Not really, even if he loses he will win in the long term. The GOP would be able to say dems are actually suing to make our country less safe and to help drug smugglers.
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that wall is specifically mentioned in the omnibus.
Only under the DHS's spending and the only place building the wall or fence is prohibited is in the Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge. The other prohibition is against using a concrete wall, but it approves using the current steel bollard wall design. Several of the new designs are variations of the current steel bollard wall with concrete sections on top of them. So POTUS has over a billion dollars allocated to build new sections of a physical barrier (aka wall), he just can't spend the DHS funds on anything called a wall on paper.
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Trying to move money around will likely be met by litigation from the Dems, arguing that Congress expressed that moneies not be used for that wall etc etc etc. Trump would likely win in the end, but it would delay things forever.
It is not moving money around. It $4.25 billion that has been allocated for additional national defense measures. Mattis has to notify the House and Senate committees within 90 days of spending the money, not 90 days before spending the money. So if they play it smart the dems can only sue to stop misallocation of funds that have already been spent on sections of wall already built.
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