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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:14 am to Keys Open Doors
quote:Nailed it.
as long as your daughter majors in an applied science or STEM category, it would be worth it. Here is where I disagree 100 percent. If you major in a STEM field and make good grades, you'll be fine no matter where you go. The difference for Ivy League grads is what happens if you major in Art History, English, or some other liberal arts field. Wall Street is full of female Art history majors with degrees from Yale and Princeton. Why? I never quite got it, but for some reason, they prefer that to kids with finance degrees from SEC schools. Hell, some of the best kids at UNC were fighting over second tier jobs that weren't all that appealing to kids 8 miles away who were probably less qualified. It never made much sense to me.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:18 am to anc
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Would cost me about $7000/year.
i'm really not sure why this is even a question. i'd pick other schools over princeton, but not the alternatives you mentioned. and that cost is beans.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:20 am to Keys Open Doors
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I read only the first couple of pages of this thread but I saw some posts about Ivy League schools being liberal indoctrination centers and I had to laugh.
This seems very typical of message boards, where everyone is an expert, regardless of actual experience or background.
It's pretty silly. The professors are likely no more "liberal" than those at LSU.
How many here think they were gullible enough to get "indoctrinated" in college? How many were smart enough to get basically a full ride to Princeton?
Stupid concern.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:31 am to anc
This is one case where the apple fell very far from the tree.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:20 am to anc
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So my daughter has received interest from an Ivy League school
Princeton, to be exact.
That must suck
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:22 am to anc
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anc
How you got into a shitty school like Mississippi State is beyond me
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:28 am to anc
The idea that you are desiring for your daughter to pass up for your purposes shows you falling behind the box of rocks each moment of the race. Your cost barely rises to the level of out of state tuition at the cheap universities in most state run institution in most states. Your daughters desires should definitely be paid more attention than the wallet when is all shakes out. Dislike the gift she is being offered all you want to with all of your heart the piece of paper that she will get will be worth a small pot of gold when all is done.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:35 am to lynxcat
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Yep, should be in it at least a couple more years before going the MBA route.
Yeah, I think most of the people I knew who went the MBA route worked 3-4 years before going back. Let me know if for some reason you get into Fuqua, and you have questions on housing or where to take out the hottest girl in the first few weeks before you know the city like the back of your hand
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It's pretty silly. The professors are likely no more "liberal" than those at LSU. How many here think they were gullible enough to get "indoctrinated" in college? How many were smart enough to get basically a full ride to Princeton?
I think you're right. When it comes to most humanities and social science departments, outside of econ, the faculty will be 80 percent or more liberal. That is the case at LSU, Duke, Harvard, or anywhere in between.
There are probably about 15-20 schools where the student body is much more overwhelmingly liberal than the numbers I gave earlier (aka the schools like Bennington, Oberlin, and Wesleyan that I mentioned earlier), but Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc would not be in that list of 15-20 schools.
I also like the part of your part that I bolded. Good way to think of things.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:38 am to Keys Open Doors
you did a much better job spelling out what i was trying to imply with my cryptic posts
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:38 am to Keys Open Doors
One last anecdote that may help with the whole indoctrination angle...
There was a huge controversy at my college about a statement signed by 88 professors over an incident that was later revealed to be a hoax. The faculty were duped by a person who is now serving life in prison for attempted murder and the students targeted in the statement ended up receiving millions of dollars from the school (I think I dropped enough hints that everyone knows what I'm talking about).
I took classes from four of those faculty before they signed statement. They taught classes ranging from a mandatory Freshman writing class to Intermediate French to a class on city planning and design. I vehemently disagree with them about the content of the statement, and to this day, I am shocked and disappointed they signed it.
They were also among the best professors I had in terms of student engagement and knowledge of the material. They never brought politics into the classroom.
My experience wasn't 100% universal, but among friends, there was only one case that was a stark difference. His professor was a huge dick about political views and talking down to students with certain views. Fwiw, that professor is an "academic star" who has been in documentaries, wrote a book with a Marxist who may have assassinated the former Italian prime minister, and was making a very nice salary. In other words, he had a certain attitude of arrogance from his lofty position, which is not typical of any kind of faculty.
Also my friend deliberately took his class because he heard negative things about the professor and wanted to see if it was true.
There was a huge controversy at my college about a statement signed by 88 professors over an incident that was later revealed to be a hoax. The faculty were duped by a person who is now serving life in prison for attempted murder and the students targeted in the statement ended up receiving millions of dollars from the school (I think I dropped enough hints that everyone knows what I'm talking about).
I took classes from four of those faculty before they signed statement. They taught classes ranging from a mandatory Freshman writing class to Intermediate French to a class on city planning and design. I vehemently disagree with them about the content of the statement, and to this day, I am shocked and disappointed they signed it.
They were also among the best professors I had in terms of student engagement and knowledge of the material. They never brought politics into the classroom.
My experience wasn't 100% universal, but among friends, there was only one case that was a stark difference. His professor was a huge dick about political views and talking down to students with certain views. Fwiw, that professor is an "academic star" who has been in documentaries, wrote a book with a Marxist who may have assassinated the former Italian prime minister, and was making a very nice salary. In other words, he had a certain attitude of arrogance from his lofty position, which is not typical of any kind of faculty.
Also my friend deliberately took his class because he heard negative things about the professor and wanted to see if it was true.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:40 am to Keys Open Doors
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There was a huge controversy at my college about a statement signed by 88 professors over an incident that was later revealed to be a hoax. The faculty were duped by a person who is now serving life in prison for attempted murder and the students targeted in the statement ended up receiving millions of dollars from the school (I think I dropped enough hints that everyone knows what I'm talking about).
if i didn't know where you went already, i think i could have figured it out with that
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
I am halfway expecting someone to post my initials or something to mess with me
At least I didn't put any of my high school info here
At least I didn't put any of my high school info here
Posted on 4/22/14 at 8:53 am to Keys Open Doors
Keys, much appreciated - all your comments.
This was really eye-opening, I admitted ignorance on such matters, and my concerns have been satisfied.
I talked to her last night and this morning over breakfast and told her if she wanted to pursue it, we would be behind her, but to my ignorance, she's not a shoe-in for admittance, no matter what her counselor has told her.
I had to go to a shitty school like MSU. She doesn't. I have always told her that she is not limited to MSU or Ole Miss, and if anything, I have had a bias against that. I grew up dirt poor and in a shithole small town. First in my family to go to college. MSU served me well enough to change my family tree. But I am still ignorant when it comes to selective college admission procedures. I do know this, by the end of 2014, I will be an expert.
Thanks all.
This was really eye-opening, I admitted ignorance on such matters, and my concerns have been satisfied.
I talked to her last night and this morning over breakfast and told her if she wanted to pursue it, we would be behind her, but to my ignorance, she's not a shoe-in for admittance, no matter what her counselor has told her.
I had to go to a shitty school like MSU. She doesn't. I have always told her that she is not limited to MSU or Ole Miss, and if anything, I have had a bias against that. I grew up dirt poor and in a shithole small town. First in my family to go to college. MSU served me well enough to change my family tree. But I am still ignorant when it comes to selective college admission procedures. I do know this, by the end of 2014, I will be an expert.
Thanks all.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:06 am to anc
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I admitted ignorance on such matters, and my concerns have been satisfied.
I talked to her last night and this morning over breakfast and told her if she wanted to pursue it, we would be behind her, but to my ignorance, she's not a shoe-in for admittance, no matter what her counselor has told her.
I had to go to a shitty school like MSU. She doesn't. I have always told her that she is not limited to MSU or Ole Miss, and if anything, I have had a bias against that. I grew up dirt poor and in a shithole small town. First in my family to go to college. MSU served me well enough to change my family tree. But I am still ignorant when it comes to selective college admission procedures. I do know this, by the end of 2014, I will be an expert.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:12 am to anc
Chances to go Ivy league don't come around often.
Wish her well
Wish her well
Posted on 4/22/14 at 9:13 am to anc
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I talked to her last night and this morning over breakfast and told her if she wanted to pursue it, we would be behind her, but to my ignorance, she's not a shoe-in for admittance, no matter what her counselor has told her.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:11 am to anc
I recently had a friend's kid apply to Princeton. Class valedictorian, 2300+ on the SAT, captain of the basketball team, had his own business, etc...
He didn't get accepted. Ivey League schools like to have lots of kids apply in order to keep their acceptance rates low. Not saying that's happening here, but be aware that they do have a low acceptance rate and reject a lot of kids who are more than qualified. Have a backup plan or two...
He didn't get accepted. Ivey League schools like to have lots of kids apply in order to keep their acceptance rates low. Not saying that's happening here, but be aware that they do have a low acceptance rate and reject a lot of kids who are more than qualified. Have a backup plan or two...
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:15 am to Jax-Tiger
Definitely. We were just going by what the high school counselor was saying. I've read enough here and online to figure out that "qualified and invited to apply" doesn't mean squat. I did not know that when I started this thread.
But she's a strong prospect if she wants to go that route. If not, she has great options down South as well. Thanks.
But she's a strong prospect if she wants to go that route. If not, she has great options down South as well. Thanks.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 10:48 am to Keys Open Doors
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Yeah, I think most of the people I knew who went the MBA route worked 3-4 years before going back. Let me know if for some reason you get into Fuqua, and you have questions on housing or where to take out the hottest girl in the first few weeks before you know the city like the back of your hand
Need to find time to take the GMAT and then I will decide where I will be applying. Fuqua is on my list of about 15 right now (basically the top 20 minus a few places like Dartmouth, Cornell and NYU).
So you are saying the way to play the cards is find the 5 hot girls that will inevitably all be friends and take one of them out before anyone else knows them...got it.
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