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re: So how much more are we supposed to shut up and ignore?

Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:59 pm to
Cuz Bucky is trolling.

frick em Bucky! You go girl
Posted by BuckyCheese
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 8:59 pm to
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I mean, he tried to repeal Obamacare. McCain decided to support Obamacare, despite having made promises to his voters to do otherwise.


You don't think Trump insulting him for months had anything to do with that?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:00 pm to
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The vast majority of which were accomplished with EOs.


With a GOPe that didn’t support him (or the American people that HE represented), no shite he used EO’s.


Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:05 pm to
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BuckyCheese


You've said alot of words. But you have yet to offer any solutions that don't result in another 4 years of Joe Biden? Is that your preference?

You fancy yourself as some above the fray intellectual... you remind me of the guy always talking up his favorite indy bands that suck and no one likes, thinking he has some sort of superior taste in music, but really is just annoying.

You have no practical grasp of how politics really works, and what it takes to win elections and move large groups of people in a country like America to vote for a certain canidate.

Trust me, I get all of your grievences you hold toward Trump. I have a few myself. But most of the issues you cite aren't getting solved with the current demographic makeup of the electorate. If only 30-60 year old white men with T levels over 500 could vote, most of your concerns could actually be addressed. But that's not the case, so you are wasting your time worrying about them. We need to get Biden removed and start concentrating on shutting border down and expelling the illegals, cleaning up crime, and bringing real jobs back to America.

From there, maybe we can start checking off your list.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:13 pm to
So phuking what. McCain was a huge piece of shite. Now he's sucking demon dick with his good buddy Fat Ted in hell.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:16 pm to
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You've said alot of words. But you have yet to offer any solutions that don't result in another 4 years of Joe Biden? Is that your preference?


As I said to Loomerpot; Don't just follow like lemmings when he does a 180. Make some noise on twitter/truth/at rallies letting him know you're not happy.

If he gets some push back he may change course as he has shown that isn't an issue for him. I mean his base is almost 100% against the Ukraine BS yet he floats the idea of a "loan" and I didn't see any of his supporters pissed off. I did see a number trying to justify it.

At this point he is nothing like the guy that campaigned in 2016, yet his base doesn't give a damn.

I've never seen a presidential candidate where his policies and actions seemingly make no difference to his base.

Frankly, it's fascinating.
Posted by mikeybates
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:19 pm to
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You don't think Trump insulting him for months had anything to do with that?


I guess it's possible. As I recall, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts in 2001 because he was angry about the 2000 primary. In 2017, McCain was saying that he wouldn't vote for any bill that Democrats didn't also support. Okay... The Democrats did not take that approach when passing Obamacare. Come to think of it, no Democrat has ever said anything like that. They vote as a bloc on every critical vote, no matter what. That's why they dominate.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:22 pm to
Don't get me wrong, McCain was a huge piece of shite.

Trump calling him a piece of shite for months before the vote would certainly be enough for a prick like McCain, knowing he was dying, to stick the knife in and prevent Trump getting a big win.

And yes, the dems voting in lockstep is why they are moving shite rapidly to the left. Too many republicans don't look at the picture 10 years down the road or are really dem like Murkowski and Collins.

Sinema has a better voting record than those two when it comes to the right.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 9:25 pm
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:22 pm to
I'll give him the 30 years your side had.
You guys campaigned and lied about every policy position for 30 years, no more.

Your side is so uni-party, they are complicit with 2020, J6 political prisoners and the 87,000 new irs agents.

You side had 30 years, no more.
Posted by momentoftruth87
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:23 pm to
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Don't get me wrong, McCain was a huge piece of shite. Trump calling him a piece of shite for months before the vote would certainly be enough for a prick like McCain, knowing he was dying, to stick the knife in and prevent Trump getting a big win.


Posted by 9Fiddy
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:25 pm to
This whole take is what worries the hell out of me about November. Trump will always have his base. That isn’t going anywhere. But his base is not enough to overcome whatever bullshite the left has planned. The left could roll a potato out there and win this unless Trump can figure out a way to get turnout from the traditionally GOPe voters and a good portion of the middle of the aisles. Otherwise people on our side are going to just stay home and fall back on the BS “Well I didn’t vote for him or anyone, so I don’t care!” excuse.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:29 pm to
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This whole take is what worries the hell out of me about November. Trump will always have his base. That isn’t going anywhere. But his base is not enough to overcome whatever bullshite the left has planned. The left could roll a potato out there and win this unless Trump can figure out a way to get turnout from the traditionally GOPe voters and a good portion of the middle of the aisles. Otherwise people on our side are going to just stay home and fall back on the BS “Well I didn’t vote for him or anyone, so I don’t care!” excuse.


You get it.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:47 pm to
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If he gets some push back he may change course as he has shown that isn't an issue for him. I mean his base is almost 100% against the Ukraine BS yet he floats the idea of a "loan" and I didn't see any of his supporters pissed off. I did see a number trying to justify it.


Trump makes me want to pull my hair out many days. For a long while, it really bothered me similar to how it bothers you. I almost didn't vote for him in 2016, in fact I went into the booth thinking I was not going to do it, and sat there for a good 5-10 minutes mulling over it. I was quite pissed about his response to Covid in 2020 as well.

However much of my traditional view of politics has changed. I would encourage you to give Auron MacIntyre's podcast a listen. He goes pretty deep into the bigger picture of how politics works historically and how it is relevant today.

I'm not saying we should blindly worship Trump. But you clearly have a specific bone to pick with him, as if he is somehow uniquely flawed in contrast with most other Republicans. The truth is most Republicans are fairly liberal and it has been a problem since Reagan. It's a systemic problem, but the hope is that the younger bench around him can eventually take the torch and lead the party into a more conservative direction than where it currently is.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:52 pm to
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I've never seen a presidential candidate where his policies and actions seemingly make no difference to his base.

Frankly, it's fascinating.


Unfortunately, I predict that will become the new norm.

I keep posting it here, but one more time won't hurt, I guess (definitely not on a thread like this).

The left has been a bunch of populist victims for decades. The "right" has now been taken over by populist victims who believe and hang on every word of charlatans like Tucker Carlson.

The left blames everything on white people, "colonizers," and institutional racism.

The "right" now blames everything on the Deep State/Establishment/Uniparty/League of Reptilian Jewish International Illuminati.

Both of them see conspiracies against them EVERYWHERE. Under every rock, behind every tree.

And just like the left, the "right" now defines everything...EVERYTHING in terms of these conspiracy narratives. Policy doesn't matter, only whether or not someone is opposed to the "Deep State." If they are, they're in, regardless of what else they do, and if they aren't, then they're out regardless of anything else they do.

Trump bombs Syria, not because they threatened us, but because of their treatment of their own people, and the cult says nothing. If ANY other Republican candidate were to say, "Hey Syria just used chemical weapons against its own people, we should bomb them," they would wet their pants screaming that he/she was trying to start WWIII for profit as an agent of the Deep State.

It's not just Trump...Trump is just a man of his times. This buying in to populism and conspiracy nonsense is what makes a paranoid narcissist like Donald Trump possible.

Going forward, those who signal that they are "Deep State" opposers and repeat the conspiracy theories (like Ramaswamey did during the primaries) are going to get the GOP cult-vote. And there will be no shortage of opportunists...Ramaswamey was ahead of the curve in understanding what's happening, but there will be plenty of others.

To your larger point, I have said almost from the beginning in 2016 that the stupidest thing that the Democrats ever did was oppose Trump as hard as they did. All they would have had to have done is appealed to his ego, called him the Great Unifier or something silly like that, kissed his ring, said he was the most unifying POTUS ever, and he would have done all sorts of liberal shite for them.
This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 9:57 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:53 pm to
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But you clearly have a specific bone to pick with him, as if he is somehow uniquely flawed in contrast with most other Republicans


Likely not.

I can't speak for someone else, but his determination likely has a lot more to do with the cult members than the cult leader.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 9:58 pm to
quote:

I would encourage you to give Auron MacIntyre's podcast a listen.


I'll see what he's about.

quote:

I'm not saying we should blindly worship Trump. But you clearly have a specific bone to pick with him, as if he is somehow uniquely flawed in contrast with most other Republicans.


He's uniquely flawed in that his caustic persona, refusal to work with anyone that doesn't pledge fealty, and predisposition to destroy anyone that he perceives as a threat prevents him from not only appealing to a wider swath of the electorate, it also prevents him from getting things accomplished.

And that doesn't only effect the presidential race, but races throughout the country where he supports marginal candidates that get blown out in general elections.

While his base loves him, the rest of the electorate ranges from disturbed by him to outright hatred.

I'll vote for him in November while knowing it is a vote against the socialists more than it is a vote for Trump for the reasons listed in the OP and elsewhere in this thread.

This post was edited on 3/11/24 at 10:02 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:01 pm to
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wackatimesthree



Well said.

The base of both parties at this point are the permanently aggrieved.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10238 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:01 pm to
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He's uniquely flawed in that his caustic persona, refusal to work with anyone that doesn't pledge fealty, and predisposition to destroy anyone that he perceives as a threat prevents him from not only appealing to a wider swath of the electorate, it also prevents him from getting things accomplished.


But it also makes him the perfect candidate for the mindset I just described.

A paranoid, destructive mindset seeks a paranoid destructive candidate to reflect it.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:06 pm to
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But it also makes him the perfect candidate for the mindset I just described.


Yes it does.

And you picked up on my disdain for those that blindly follow a Pied Piper that gives them the sound bites they crave.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
100134 posts
Posted on 3/11/24 at 10:08 pm to
Mate that's what Robbie Mook called Trump in 2016. A Pied Piper.
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