re: So how much more are we supposed to shut up and ignore?

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Is it bitching and moaning? This is a politics discussion board, right? Why do you and guys like that Robb retard have such a problem with politics being discussed here? It seems to me that if you have no interest in debating how effective Trump is as a conservative leader, you wouldn't participate rather than scolding posters that want to.

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It is bitching and moaning when the same thing is posted over and over. I pretty much know what Roger is going to post before he posts it. My point is that we have heard the same arguments ad nauseam. I do not need the same talking point repeated to me 100's of times.

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One faction is Trump superfans that believe having not taken the vaxx is about as far as outward expression of Trump skepticism/frustration should go, and the other faction guys like me that believe Trump is way too much a big government liberal and needs to feel some heat from the Right.

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I would fall somewhere in between "Trump superfan" and "Trump is way too much a big gov. liberal". That being said, I also realize that a lot of the things that Trump was not able to accomplish in his first term was a product of the GOPe. There are quite a few things that you and others like to blame Trump for that I do not see as being his fault (there are some that were his fault). When you blame/accuse him of things that I see as BS I call you out on it and state my opinion. Usually that will be the end of it. There are some here that will state the same opinion over and over. Its like they think we did not see their posts the first 100 times.

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Slow down man, you’re going to burn out. We get it. You think the deep state controls everything

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They may not control everything but they control way to much. The deep state is a issue that I think most of us all can agree on. Going to be hard as hell to oust them. If we want our country back they have to go though.

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It is bitching and moaning when the same thing is posted over and over. I pretty much know what Roger is going to post before he posts it. My point is that we have heard the same arguments ad nauseam. I do not need the same talking point repeated to me 100's of times.

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And you'll hear the same arguments from both sides over and over again on a message board designed for the same arguments to be made over and over again. I mean, have you seen anything settled? Why would you expect that arguments/debates to end?

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I would fall somewhere in between "Trump superfan" and "Trump is way too much a big gov. liberal".

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That's fair.

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That being said, I also realize that a lot of the things that Trump was not able to accomplish in his first term was a product of the GOPe.

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And my POV is that he is establishment. I think there's a lot of evidence that supports my view.

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When you blame/accuse him of things that I see as BS I call you out on it and state my opinion. Usually that will be the end of it.

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That's fine. It's how you choose to engage. You like to state your opinion and that's it. But others like to argue, or in this context challenge your opinion. And it's fine if you don't want to engage in that, but to suggest that someone that does is a Biden voter or trying to get Dems elected is asinine. I'm not suggesting you do that (I can't remember and I'm not going to look at your post history), but a lot of Trump superfans do - like Bonds did a few posts up.

Bucky Cheese, vote ur conscious. What's ur options?

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This is retarded, and sad coming from a guy that's supposed to be educated.

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And 100% expected because they cannot refute what we are saying.

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You are of course mad at a factual statement

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Nobody is mad. You're an emotional child.

And there's nothing factual to the notion that someone more than a little critical of Trump wants Dems to win elections.