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re: So has the Felon who got shot in the arm, who also had a gun been arrested yet?
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:59 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 8/29/20 at 1:59 pm to AggieHank86
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I watched the video. How else could I have possibly said that it was a good frame by frame analysis?
None of which changes the fact that the 23 minute point out to which you make reference took place before he raised his hands in submission and has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the self-defense claim.
1. the guy was chasing him, he actually doesn't even come into frame until well after the first shooting starts
2. he has a gun, which I doubt even Kyle could see... really meaningless but additional defense
3. he was coming to either disarm Rambo or assault him
4. yes, he does put up his hands, but doesn't drop the weapon (again I doubt Kyle can even notice that)... he doesn't back up.... he than goes forward
5. he looks like to me he is trying to get out of the way but he actually lowers his hands at the same time
6. kyle had an opportunity to shoot him first, decides not to shoot him, than decides to shoot him when he starts forward again
There really isn't much to this, whether the guy had a gun or not is kind of meaningless... it was defense. Kyle had an opportunity to shoot him before he put his hands up, and to me could have shot the guy several times because he still doesn't really back up quick after getting shot the first.
Having the gun is really makes this a slam dunk on top of the slam dunk.
Just saying he put up his hands doesn't mean anything in the context of the whole situation.
Nobody, and I mean nobody can claim they could have done better than this kid.
The shooter doesn't have to be right about all of his actions, but in the context of the whole situation did he make reasonable decisions - absolutely, and its not close.
Its self defense, its not close, even if the guy didn't have a gun.... it was self-defense. Don't f with the police and don't chase a guy with a gun.
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 2:03 pm
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Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:06 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
quote:I have acknowledged on multiple occasions that he was moving in Kyles general direction. Depending upon the angle of the video, one could interpret him is moving directly towards Kyle, or moving slightly to Kyles left. The angle of the rifle at the time of the shot seems to indicate that the latter is more accurate, because it seems that Kyle was firing across The guy’s body somewhat when he hit the arm. But it is indeed ambiguous.
Did you continue watching as he lunged forward with weapon in hand after raising hands in submission?
Which is why I do not like it from the perspective of a defense lawyer. The other two are utterly unambiguous.
One guy hit Kyle with a large, heavy object (a skateboard) and then came in for more. The other guy chased Kyle into a corner from which there was no obvious escape. CLEAR aggression in both cases. Both of these events are on video, and unambiguous.
If you would really prefer to argue the amputee shooting versus the other two that is fine. I think Kyle eventually wins on all three.
quote:YES. I agree.
Its self defense
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:44 pm to AggieHank86
quote:No answer?
So, I answered your question, and now you need to answer my question. Where has Lin Wood ever expressed any opinion whatsoever on which of the three shootings is the more problematic for the claim of self-defense?
Thought not.
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:55 pm to AggieHank86
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moving directly toward Kyle but rather past him to Kyle’s left
Kyle knowsto not let anyone get to your 6. Self defense.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:03 pm to AggieHank86
I’m pretty sure the arm bandit is the guy who fired the round off before he put a round in Rosenbaums dome.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:05 pm to roadGator
quote:Tactically sound. But it does seem to negate the notion that GG was directly assaulting young Kyle at that moment.
Kyle knows to not let anyone get to your 6
quote:Tactically? Yep
Self defense.
Legally? Less clear.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:06 pm to AggieHank86
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he raised his hands in submission and has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the self-defense claim.
Just so I’m clear, an individual with a criminal record clearly chasing someone with intent to harm and clearly having a weapon while intending to harm, the minute he sees he may lose and raises his hands during a riot( which meaning surrender is also speculative)all is forgiven in the eye of the law?
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:08 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
quote:Dawgirl linked a pretty solid analysis that it was this guy in the gray cammo and black ski cap.
I’m pretty sure the arm bandit is the guy who fired the round off before he put a round in Rosenbaums dome.
Who the Hell wears a ski cap in August?
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:09 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:If that is your take on the last five pages, you ate too many paint chips as a child. I suggest that you try reading them again, this time with your brain “on.”
Just so I’m clear, an individual with a criminal record clearly chasing someone with intent to harm and clearly having a weapon while intending to harm, the minute he sees he may lose and raises his hands during a riot( which meaning surrender is also speculative)all is forgiven in the eye of the law?
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:10 pm to AggieHank86
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The video does not show him pointing the weapon at Kyle, and he had his hands raised in submission.
He's pointing the gun right at him mere seconds before Kyle shot him.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:10 pm to AggieHank86
Let’s see. You’ve been attacked no less than three times and now a guy with a gun is moving toward you. The same guy that says he regrets not killing you.
Self defense
Self defense
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:11 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:From some angles that appears to be the case. From other angles, not so much. Hence “ambiguous.”
He's pointing the gun right at him mere seconds before Kyle shot him.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:12 pm to roadGator
quote:unlike some of these cretins, I KNOW that YOU can read. I AGREE.
Let’s see. You’ve been attacked no less than three times and now a guy with a gun is moving toward you. The same guy that says he regrets not killing you.
Self defense
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:14 pm to EGCROSS
The 1 armed bandit going to be a hero in jail
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:29 pm to Smokeyone
aggie hank u are stupid
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:31 pm to AggieHank86
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So, now you need to answer my question. Where has Lin Wood ever expressed any opinion whatsoever on which of the three shootings is the more problematic for the claim of self-defense?
Well that’s a simple answer because your question is very specific and the short answer is that their is no publicly made opinion by him on this...nor did I ever say he made one NOR did I ever say anything about his opinions. Any competent lawyer representing a defendant in a case like this would not go into that much detail on a case to the public....but you can show me an instance where one has gone into that granular of detail in an active case one is representing.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:36 pm to honeybadger07
TheN you need to that incompetent lawyer that released a whole of detail about it.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:49 pm to honeybadger07
quote:Really?
the short answer is that their is no publicly made opinion by (Lin Wood) on this...nor did I ever say he made one NOR did I ever say anything about his opinions.
quote:Yet now you admit that Lin Wood said no such thing.quote:Hmmmmm......Lin Wood says otherwise.quote:I am. Anyone who has ever tried a case to a jury will agree.quote:Really? (Sarcastic) I’m sure you are correct though. Dumbass
Of the three shootings, (the GG shoot) is the most problematic for young Kyle on the issue of self defense.
Fascinating.
This post was edited on 8/29/20 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:52 pm to dehsloot
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Yes, he approached Kyle carring a weapon, but he has the same 2nd Amendment rights as anyone else. (Probation violation was not known to Rittenhouse.) The video does not show him pointing the weapon at Kyle, and he had his hands raised in submission.
This is the one that should worry the defense team.
Watch it again. He had his hands raised in submission, but as soon as Kyle lowered his AR he charged at him.
Oh also the pesky video that show him pulling his handgun form a concealed location as Kyle is actively running away from him but the fake medic decides to give chase. That’s where the whole thing changes. If fake medic hadn’t pursued Kyle he would not have been injured.
Posted on 8/29/20 at 3:56 pm to AggieHank86
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Which of the three shootings do you consider to be the most problematic for young Kyle?
Are you really this inept? I mean it’s pretty fricking easy....the one where as of now we have very limited video evidence during the first shooting....but even there you have evidence of human being chased through the streets by an individual who was previously seen on video telling people to “shoot me n***a”
All other shooting incidents are well documented in both video and picture.
I really cannot believe a lawyer is asking this question. Good luck man
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