So Don Jr. Exchanged Messages with Wikileaks; Someone Explain to Me The Issue

Communicating with a leftist's hero like Assange?

That is bothersome.

Hahahaha

So do you interpret Don Jr. communicating with Wikileaks as collusion with Russia?

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WikiLeaks is an anti-western unofficial tool of the Kremlin and Russia's foreign intelligence services.

Their "whistleblowing" amounts to technically-enabled espionage against the U.S., NATO, and other U.S. allies, with only.

Drip. drip.

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Governmental types like Navytiger here don’t like their pants pulled down for the world to see, therefor they despise wikileaks.

They are far too insular to realize however the rest of us don’t feel this way and actually appreciate our fraud of a government being exposed.

In their simple view of the world they think they are tarring Don jr. with guilt by association but the truth is the vast majority of us just don't care about it.

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token efforts undertaken against other nations far more repressive than any in the West--notably Russia and China

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China and Russia do not disingenuously claim to be free open societies with governments for, by, and of the people, a very important distinction, sorry if that escapes you.

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So do you interpret Don Jr. communicating with Wikileaks as collusion with Russia?

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There is officially a degree of separation. We'll see how it goes. I've personally documented the evolution of the denialists from:

1. There was no meddling.

--Only Putin and Trump are still here. Putin's still here because LOL; Trump's officially still here because he's a dumbass.

2. There was meddling, but only from totally independent non-state freedom-fighters like WikiLeaks, not from Russia

3. Russia meddled, but had no preference and only sought to undermine faith in our institutions.

--A few Trumpkins are still here--like ShortyRob.

4. Ok, maybe Russia had a preference for Trump, but it was because Putin was justifiably angry at Hillary Clinton. And anyway no one from the campaign had any untoward contacts.

--This is where most Trumpkins remain stuck.

5. Clearly there were contacts between members of the Trump campaign and apparent agents of the Kremlin, but they were so low level. Nothing to worry about. Plus Hillary Clinton.

--This is where the rest of the Trumpkins are.

6. Okay, obviously there were some suspicious interactions between members of the Trump team and probable agents or allies of the Kremlin. We need to find out what happened, who was involved, what was their intent, who among the senior members of the campaign knew of this activity and when did they know it, has anyone broken any laws, and has anyone engaged in a conspiracy to conceal crimes or improprieties.

--This is where Mueller's team and the sane people in this country are.

7a. Okay, let's run these fricking abominations out of Washington and forget this regrettable episode.

--Some people are here, but I'm not yet. Honest Bob has much work to do.

ETA: 7b. Yeah whatever. Russia did us a favor. No big deal. It’s probably not really illegal. FEDGOV is so corrupt. We should have a good relationship with Russia anyway and what about Clinton and Soros? LOL. Melt snowflake. #MAGA
- Future Trumpkins If this trajectory holds.



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Army Fan

Member since Nov 2017

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Welcome, comrade. Did you see any action in Ukraine, Georgia, Chechnya, or Dagestan?

The closest I've ever gotten to Russia in uniform was The Ukraine. Great place.

8. It's not fair that we lost to Trump. Let's make up whatever we can to try to make ourselves feel better because it's not fair that we feel embarrassed.

- this is where Navytiger, and 99.99% of the democrats and Never Trumpers are on this 'Russia' story. The other 60% of the nation and the entire world has moved on.

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Mrs. Clinton saying she wanted to “Just drone” Mr. Assange.

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Did she really say this?

Russia here...Russia there....Russia Russia everywhere.

Yeah, I think I was in the Team6 sort of camp from the near the very start of the campaign in 2015, and didn't really move fully into the Team7 camp's view of things until the summer of 2016. If I may make a brief case why I believe Team6's position is implausible, I would highlight that the Trump team has taken many otherwise inexplicable reciprocating actions, and has engaged in several deceptive coverups now, that could only have come straight from the top. There was the Flynn-Artemenko affair and the Yates-McGahn conversation and the subsequent Nunes diversions and the lie told about why Flynn was fired; the anti-Ukraine lobbying effort; the coordinated tweets and messaging with WikiLeaks; the drafting of false stories in defense of DJTJ from Air Force One; etc. Plus, we now know that the Trump campaign was informed several times at least (from Page-Papadopoulos-Mifsud to DJTJ-Agalarov-Manafort-Veselnitskaya to Assange-Nix-Bannon-Farage) that the Russian government was reaching out to them and working hard in their favor. And beyond that, let's be honest, nobody who has been in the business of helping to launder Russian oligarch money for decades puts people like Manafort (working for free), Flynn, Bannon, Page, etc., on his campaign without assuming that they will be coordinating with Russian oligarchs. Finally, Manafort knew Russian agents were offering assistance in that Trump Tower meeting, and Trump himself had to have been informed about it, having been right there at the time.