re: So Don Jr. Exchanged Messages with Wikileaks; Someone Explain to Me The Issue

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So foreign outlets helped HRC is a crime as well.

It doesn’t matter which campaign was helped it is still a crime.

So you are agreeing both sides committed a crime? Does that make it okay? If so junior is in legal trouble and whoever did it in the HRC campaign is in legal campaign as well.

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Whether either is a “crime” or not according to federal law is irrelevant. Those campaign laws are put in place to protect the political class in this country. I encourage breaking them if it exposes corruption of the American media and the political establishment in this country. In my opinion Hillary’s collusion with the media is more unethical than any opposition research that the Trump campaign may have done with Wikileaks or Russia, which is nothing by the way. Over a year of digging and the best they can come up with is some low level staffer that couldn’t even get a meeting. When they have shown that Trump staffers met with or emailed or tweeted Russian citizens, which by the way isn’t illegal or unethical in even the slightest way, absolutely nothing incriminating or unethical has been produced. The opposite in fact.

If Russia’s true intent was to sow discord and division in this country as the Intelligence community claims. Then the only real pawns of the Russian government are the IC and media and the political left that have given this story more attention than it ever deserved. They’ve done more to further Putin’s aims that he could have ever dreamed of because we all know that had Hillary had won the election this story wouldn’t have gotten 1/1000th of the coverage it’s getting now and there would have been no special prosecutor.

If only everyone could learn to play it straight like Wikileaks, the trolls on 4chan, and infowars/JJDoc/Gumbokook/thinepreparedasylum, etc.

Speaking of inside info. I just finished the SNL episode from Saturday. Is anyone going to tell me with a straight face that TSwift isn’t pregnant?

Damn shame.

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I’ve been hearing nonstop talk about Russian interference, but next to no airtime as to how.

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That sounds like the result of living in a self-imposed news bubble to me. The Russian interference that occurred in the 2016 election was different in magnitude and in kind from anything that has ever occurred before.

I would say there were three main components to the effort. The first was the basic propaganda effort from RT, Sputnik, etc., with the paid armies of troll bots and such. This shouldn't be taken lightly, (A) because there were possibly quid-pro-quo arrangements for receiving these types of organized paid efforts that would then obviously become in-kind campaign contributions, and (B) because it's already been shown that the Russian bots propelled Trump into the upper-tier of candidates almost immediately from the start of his GOP campaign in 2015. If you're running in a race of 17 people where nobody takes you seriously at first, the value of having an army of media operations supporting you in social media is enormous. In that particular situation, it's actually better than having a huge war chest of pure cash.

The second, was yes, the hacking. WikiLeaks has long operated in concert with Russian intelligence, and they selectively stole and edited private embarrassing conversations from the DNC, and framed them in such a way as to do the most damage to America by putting them in a false light and spinning them with hysterical conspiracy theories. That's a pretty big deal, and anybody making the myopic argument "why does it matter if it's the truth?" is acting like a complete piece of shite. I shouldn't have to explain why.

The third is at this point still speculative, but there's a whole lot of circumstantial evidence to indicate that it happened, and it relates to the coordination of Russian propaganda operations with stolen voter outreach data, as well as ordinary proprietary data owned by the Trump campaign. This is where we get into Dmitry Firtash, Alexander Nix, SCL Group, Robert Mercer, Cambridge Analytica, etc., and how they interacted in any "data laundering" operations with Manafort-Bannon-Kushner.

Then you had a bunch of weirdos hanging around in the background, like Sebastian Gorka, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, Carter Page, Roger Stone, etc. Stone in particular was allegedly communicating with both Guccifer and WikiLeaks, and this is reminiscent of what happened in Florida. Aaron Nevins was a political nobody who ran an obscure HelloFLA blog, but received 2.5 gigabytes of hacked Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee documents from Guccifer, and subsequently put it to use in campaigns for Republicans. It doesn't seem like much of a stretch to think that the same thing could happen with Roger Stone or some other bozo working for the Trump campaign.

Of course, with the Trump campaign, the hallmarks of quid-pro-quo arrangements have been all over the place. No other campaign in 2016 had so many obvious benefits to Russia as the Trump Campaign, and even going into 2017, there have been all kinds of different reciprocating actions that have been taken by the Trump Administration.


I'm not going to try to make the full case on this board. The known facts and connections are so sprawling by now that few people have the time to keep up with them anymore. There's something new and incriminating every week it seems. But I do trust that the Mueller investigation will eventually bring the right charges, so I don't worry about it so much anymore.

I'm just gonna sit back with my popcorn and watch the truth come out as events unfurl.