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re: So could pipelines minimize the importance of narrow straits?

Posted on 8/16/26 at 7:58 pm to
Posted by Jim Ed Love
Deep East Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2024
119 posts
Posted on 8/16/26 at 7:58 pm to
The Saudi East-West pipeline was built 40 years ago. It was already being

used at the Saudi's convenience. The Saudi line is 750 miles long, with 42"

and a 56" diameter pipelines. There are 13 pump stations, with a nominal 7

pumps at each station, each driven by ~ 27,000 HP gas turbines, and 2-3

storage tanks, with a 300+ ft diameter, and 1,000,000+ bbls of capacity.

A new pipeline would require all this, and a deep water export facility. The

pipe alone is ~ 1,000 tons per mile of pipeline. The delivery for gas

turbines, the same units that will power all the planned data centers

around the world, already have delivery times of 2-5 years. The cost to

build, operate and maintain the transport, storage and export facilities

would cost more per barrel than paying transit fees to Iran & Oman. If they

If they made economic sense, they would already have been built a long

time ago. The Persian Gulf states import damn near everything but oil.

Maybe rugs and goats. .Are they building any square shaped pipelines

for moving cargo's to and from container ships? Trump and teeny weenie

price increase for gasoline? A worldwide 10% price increase for everything

using transportation fuel. For what? To rebuild Iran? That will be his legacy

for eternity.

Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
17577 posts
Posted on 8/16/26 at 8:20 pm to
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So static areas are vulnerable over and over.

The easier targets are the refineries that KSA uses before it ever gets shipped. The Houthis have hit major refining facilities in KSA before, they're a much easier target than a buried pipeline.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
92440 posts
Posted on 8/16/26 at 8:23 pm to
Termination points on those lines are as vulnerable as the refineries.

But I get your point.

Sooner or later that oil comes above ground and into a tanker setting still.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
7940 posts
Posted on 8/16/26 at 8:28 pm to
Can you get fertilizer through pipelines? About one-third of global fertilizer shipments were going through the Strait. I know next to nothing about it so it’s an honest question about how we handle that aspect.
Posted by Jim Ed Love
Deep East Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2024
119 posts
Posted on 8/16/26 at 8:33 pm to

Liquid? Ya. Harder to handle and takes tankers. Oh shite, that's another we

did not think about before we went all willy nilly.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
11812 posts
Posted on 8/16/26 at 9:42 pm to
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Pipelines are way more efficient.


They aren’t.
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
4180 posts
Posted on 8/16/26 at 11:57 pm to
Sure they are….duh….
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20821 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 5:42 am to
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I totally agree. Massive f*** up from Trump, total unforced error, probably biggest blunder of either term.

But the fact of the matter is this is where we are now. Trying to figure out what’s the best path forward from here, most options are bad…


You see what they are doing now, I can only imagine when they got nukes and the capability for long range ballistic missiles what they would do.

Now comes the usual retorts, yeah they were only weeks away, yeah Israel lover, blah blah blah

The fact remains, no matter how unpopular, they had to be dealt with at some point.

Yet America has become so self absorbed that they are more concerned about gas costing them 20cents a gallon more for a few months and cutting into their latte budget, than a rogue nuclear threat.
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
11245 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 6:54 am to
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The fact remains, no matter how unpopular, they had to be dealt with at some point.

Yet America has become so self absorbed that they are more concerned about gas costing them 20cents a gallon more for a few months and cutting into their latte budget, than a rogue nuclear threat.

+1

And spot on trinidadtiger. The true is most of us don't know much about this situation, how to transport oil, how to put a financial squeeze on a country... but it doesn't stop us from throwing out our opinions.

Personally, I think this war has been quite successful so far. Have mistakes been made - I'm certain there have been. Has it satisfied those who wanted us to end it in 90 days or those who wish we had more consistency in messaging? no, but little would have satisfied them anyway.

The truth - Our war with Iranian leadership has had almost ZERO impact in my life. My life hasn't changed and unless you are in active service, I venture to say this is true for just about everyone on this board.

Other than around 6 weeks of flat growth in investments, I wouldn't have noticed. And I pay the same price for gas, as I did 10 days into the bombings... only because I decided to check. Because otherwise people on this site would try to convince you of doom and gloom.
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
4911 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 7:58 am to
i recall a nordstream pipeline on the ocean floor encased in concrete. the cia blew it up.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
57496 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 8:12 am to
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i recall a nordstream pipeline on the ocean floor encased in concrete. the cia blew it up.

Oh, anything can be blown up. The USA blew up two Japanese cities. But the question was, “How do you protect a pipeline from drones?” The answer is, “Bury it.” It would take very accurate ballistic missile strikes to damage a buried pipeline, and the target areas would be very far from Iran’s launch points. Those are fairly easy to defend against, and if they get lucky, the damage is quickly repaired.
This post was edited on 8/17/26 at 8:28 am
Posted by Swamp Angel
West Georgia Chicken Farm Territory
Member since Jul 2004
10488 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:50 am to
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Saudi and UAE are constructing pipelines to the Gulf of Oman that should be in service within 2 yrs.


That can work for Saudi and UAE, but Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait are SOL with the idea of running pipeline to the Gulf of Oman. Kuwait, in particular, would have to work out a rather expensive deal with Saudi and UAE to run pipeline that far.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24650 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 10:06 am to
Can we ship containerized cargo through these pipelines?
Posted by Jim Ed Love
Deep East Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2024
119 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 10:11 am to

No soup for you comrade.
Posted by Jim Ed Love
Deep East Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2024
119 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 10:14 am to

Ya gonna bury the pump and pressure stations too? Fook, that would take

ICBM silos.
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29509 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 10:18 am to
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To get across ground and to different ports, then yeah.


Until they are bombed/destroyed of course
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