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re: So all I need to do to afford a $750,000 house

Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by DrrTiger
Gulf of America
Member since Nov 2023
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Boomers are the kids of connected parents who pulled strings to get them into a nice college


Majority of boomers didn’t go to college. Maybe that’s where Gen Z got their victim complex.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:13 pm to
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You know back in 1982 you could put a dime in a gum ball machine and every 10th gum ball that came out had a house deed wrapped around it.

That's how easy it was to buy a house back then.

Posted by Miner
Birmingport
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:13 pm to
My parents didn't. Dad worked while mom cared for us, then when we got in school, she worked also. Put in 32 years at Protective. Earned a nice retirement with her 401k.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10291 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:15 pm to
It was an analogy...
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1749 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:18 pm to
Scotty really doesn;t know. SIngel middle aged man white knighting for millenials and gen z, wasting his time on a message board instead of doing something with his life. SAD
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:29 pm to
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I wonder how much money that made the "bootstrap generation"
or ZIRP?
Then again we're looking at a decade of record low mortgage rates which should have been a jump in opportunity for first time purchasers. Starbucks and other generational interests surely did well during that time. SBUX was up 15x. So there was 20-something/30-something money being spent. It just wasn't being spent on historic mortgage opportunities. That is not someone else's fault, scotty.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3577 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:30 pm to
Year-----Med Inc---Med Hm---Int Rate------Pmt-----% Mthly Inc
1979-------16530------62900------11.2------608.54------44.18%
2024-------77540----419200-------6.7-------2705.01----41.86%

In 2024 median home was 2200 sq ft where it was 1645 in 1979. Price per sq ft in 1979 38.24 in 2024 it is 190.54. Comparing same size homes we get this for 2024
2024------77540-----313454------6.7 ------ 2022.65-----31.30%

Taking media price of 313454 and dividing by median salary of 77540 in 2024 we get 4.04 years. Doing the same for 1979 we get 3.8 years. However, in 1979 borrowers paid 6% more per year for the home. Interest rates didn't get to the 6% range until 2000 or so. In those 21 years, borrowers from 1979 would have paid an additional 30-40K to their loans (due to the higher interest rate) or approximately 50%. Assuming both groups keep the homes 21 years, the 1979 borrower will pay 50% more (due to the additional 6% interest) to the price of the home. The additional ~33K due to the higher interest will be an additional 2 years median salary.

Giving us a total of 5.8 years of median salary to earn the value of the median home then. Where it takes people today 4.04 years to do the same.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 12:38 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:32 pm to
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It was an analogy...
You don't really know what an analogy is.
You meant it was hyperbole.

But what is actually was is simply clueless.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3577 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:33 pm to
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They're probably billionaires getting the money, too.
What does that matter? If they paid in their part, why should they be denied it? They were made a promise and it didn't stipulate anything about future wealth. I imagine that billionaires have done much more to benefit the nation as a whole than welfare recipients.

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You know back in 1982 you could put a dime in a gum ball machine and every 10th gum ball that came out had a house deed wrapped around it.
Don't recall that do recall the interest rates bein 16%+ for a home mortgage.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21848 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:45 pm to
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Why did you ask Chat GPT a question different question than the one I asked and then reply to me as if it has answered my question?

Are you volunteering to answer my question?

Because your question isn't the right question to ask, and I didn't want to hurt your feelings by pointing that out.

If you're wanting to compare affordability, you need to compare apples to apples. That the "median home" has become substantially bigger and feature-rich is a different discussion. The fact is, the home boomers started with is just as affordable to your generation is it was to them and all the whining just makes you guys look like you've been duped by the same f'n people we spend day/night in these threads chastising.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3577 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:48 pm to
Year-----Med Inc---Med Hm---Int Rate------Pmt-----% Mthly Inc
1979------11800------38100------9.05------307.93------31.32%
1981------22390------68900------16.63----961.62------51.54%
2024------77540------419200------6.7------2705.01----41.86%

In 2024 median home was 2200 sq ft where it was 1645 in 1979. Price per sq ft in 1979 38.24 in 2024 it is 190.54. Comparing same size homes we get this for 2024
2024------77540-----313454------6.7 ------ 2022.65-----31.30%

Taking media price of 313454 and dividing by median salary of 77540 in 2024 we get 4.04 years. Doing the same for 1981 we get 3 years. However, in 1981 borrowers paid 10% more per year for the home. Interest rates didn't get to the 6% range until 2000 or so. In those 19 years, borrowers from 1981 would have paid an additional 6K per year to their loans (due to the higher interest rate) or approximately 100% of the original loan ammount. Assuming both groups keep the homes 19 years, the 1981 borrower will pay 100% more (due to the additional 10% interest per year). The additional ~65K due to the higher interest will be an additional 3 years median salary.

Giving us a total of 6 years of median salary to earn the value of the median home then (with the additional interest that had to be paid). Where it takes people today 4.04 years to do the same (without the additional interest having to be paid).
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19420 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:48 pm to
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median salary of 77540 in 2024

This figure seems incorrect
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26920 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:49 pm to
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So all I need to do to afford a $750,000 house

Can someone help me out? Where does goldennugget live? Are there places cheaper than $750,000 in his metro area?
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3577 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:53 pm to
I'm talking family income. So individual would be 38 or to 39K. Got the number from the great google. Searched for "median income 2024). Also searched for "median home price 2024"

Just did the search again and got

In 2023, the median household income in the United States was $80,610, a 4% increase from the $77,540 median in 2022, marking the first statistically significant increase since 2019.

If anything the salary number I presented would be a little low, since it didn't actually answer for 2024, I used the 2022 number.
This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 12:56 pm
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20576 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Can you show me the math that led you to this conclusion?
Financed 100,000 on a 120,000 build cost. 1900 sf custom build (my design)

On the calculator it has payment of 1,252. It’s been a long time but seems like it was 1300-1400, but that was a long time ago and my memory isn’t what it was. My wife and I had a combined income of about 80k. No daycare, MIL kept them.

Fast forward to now. Bought a house last year, financed 220k on a 320k purchase (1900 sf track builder house built in 2023). Didn’t pay for it outright because we wanted to get liquid for what I expect to happen. Payment is 1730, last year’s income just under 200k

Equivalent house size, fairly close on age. 80k went further as far as gas/groceries, but leaving taxes out of the equation that’s still a bigger chunk of the income that also has to allow for 2 car payments. Interest rates on those were high too which constantly gets overlooked.

This post was edited on 3/18/25 at 1:08 pm
Posted by DrrTiger
Gulf of America
Member since Nov 2023
2374 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:10 pm to
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Are there places cheaper than $750,000 in his metro area?


Yes, but the commute is too long and it’s not as nice as what their 65-year-old boomer parents have right now. So therefore it’s a shite hole far below their standards and life’s not fair.

That about sums up all 19 pages.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3577 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:12 pm to
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Yes, but the commute is too long and it’s not as nice as what their 65-year-old boomer parents have right now. So therefore it’s a shite hole far below their standards and life’s not fair. That about sums up all 19 pages.
You are not wrong.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40326 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:30 pm to
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Carter admin. 17% mortgage interest is no joke, we paid points to get it to 13%


You must have had shitty credit.


Outside of a 3 month period in 1980, rates under carter averaged around 12%

Interesting how all the boomers here claim to have entered into a new 30 year mortgage during a deep recession and after rates had skyrocketed.

Yall all bought houses in late 1981 huh?
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
3577 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:35 pm to
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Interesting how all the boomers here claim to have entered into a new 30 year mortgage during a deep recession and after rates had skyrocketed.
Even more interesting is how all those here that still have milk foam on their upper lip from momma's teat complain about how they have it so much worse.

Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
26920 posts
Posted on 3/18/25 at 1:39 pm to
Is he looking for a starter home? Does he have the savings required to put down 20%? Is he single?

I would have had trouble affording my first home had I been single...would have had to go smaller and cheaper...also had mortgage rate over 6% for my first house.
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