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re: So, about that whole outrage at Hamilton.

Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:40 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85788 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:40 pm to
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Errr, he went to the hot musical. I doubt he was doing it as reaching out to progressives.



I'm not saying he was. But he surely knew he was going into hostile territory.

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We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us — our planet, our children, our parents — or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir.


This is, for lack of a better term, concern trolling. It's fear mongering disguised as a plea for reconsidering - but reconsidering what? Something that doesn't exist and is entirely fabricated to serve a political objective?

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he left, he could have stayed and listened. Supposeldy he stayed in the hall and listened.



So? People came to see your art, you delivered a one sided political narrative without opportunity for meaningful response.

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that has nothing to do with class.



Maybe not. Insulting members of your audience to expand your bonafides among hive-minded attendees is, however, classless.

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85788 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:43 pm to
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i doubt he went to hamilton to get a taste of the other side. Most people are going to see a hot musical to see a hot musical.



If he was going for the art itself, it's all the more pathetic that people with a pulpit, but nothing meaningful to say, used their captive audience in that manner.

Now, I would say that Hamilton is more inherently political than some other art, so that's why I raised the lost messaging opportunity rather than outright objecting to any political viewpoint being projected.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
5291 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:48 pm to
It's not like there was a boycott called. Every time I saw Pence asked about it he recommended people go see it because it is a great show. Unlike what SJWers would do, which is whine and call for boycotts because their safe space was violated. I don't really see this as a big gotcha.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 4:50 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35371 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:51 pm to
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Are we shocked that the people who like musicals also don't like Trump? Really?
Are you insinuating that only the left likes musicals? This is news to me.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62283 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:53 pm to
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We, sir, we are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us — our planet, our children, our parents — or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights, sir. But we truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us. All of us.


OMGEE! The sheer anguish is palpable.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62283 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:54 pm to
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Are you insinuating that only the left likes musicals? This is news to me.


In my experience, musical fans have more than their fair share of homosexuals and evangelical Christians. I always found the strange bedfellows of that genre to be funny.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26097 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:56 pm to
I didn't insinuate anything. I flat out stated that if we drew a Venn diagram of people who enjoy musicals, a large part of the overlapping circles would be people who aren't fans of Trump. Draw from it whatever inferences you want.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:58 pm to
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"Hamilton" should thank Mike Pence


Pence had nothing to do with it. They should thank Trump who was playing 10D Chess by throwing the lyin' lib media off his trail with the Hamilton flap.
Posted by 13yearvet
Member since Oct 2016
98 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:58 pm to
Free market.

Beauty of our economic system -- our social decorums influence our spending habits.

This is the way it was and should be. Let the market figure t out. If we decide pence is deplorable, then we should use our wallets do the speaking. The SC said this is FREE SPEECH
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 4:59 pm to
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But he surely knew he was going into hostile territory.

considering that more people voted for the other person, most places are going to be hostile territory.
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This is, for lack of a better term, concern trolling.

Concern trolling is not classless IMHO.
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It's fear mongering disguised as a plea for reconsidering - but reconsidering what? Something that doesn't exist and is entirely fabricated to serve a political objective?

You see the thing where we disagree is that trump campaigned on
a) global warming not being real
b) the need to deport a whole bunch of people and ban people from coming to the US
c) Pence sided against gay marriage, which per the SCOTUS is a right

So, I do think these are valid concerns that the cast of the musical had.

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So? People came to see your art, you delivered a one sided political narrative without opportunity for meaningful response.


This is the case for most shows though. Mike Pence isn't performing. If I went to a ted nugent show, do you think I would get to respond to anything he said? No I wouldn't.

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Maybe not.

It doesn't. This is not classless. This was a well thought and reasoned plea.

Personally i prefer my art and politics to stay separate. I almost universally disappointed when an artist that I like makes a political statement.

As far as political statements go by artists though, this was pretty tepid and not particularly offensive, or classless.

Classless, ted nugent calling for hillary clinton to be executed. that is classless.


eta: I haven't seen hamilton and have no intention of. I do not like musicals.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73136 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:02 pm to
Pence said it was a great show and "This is what freedom sounds like" He wasn't upset at all.

Meanwhile...



Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294607 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:02 pm to
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"Hamilton" should thank Mike Pence for his visit to Broadway,


Pence handled this with class. It was Trump who sought "safe spaces."
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:11 pm to
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considering that more people voted for the other person, most places are going to be hostile territory


Just wanted to point out that this is demonstrably false.

Most places in America are quite obviously NOT hostile territory for him.

But some places are VERY hostile territory.

A half assess look at the election map would tell you that.

From a "places" perspective, if he wanted to avoid hostile territory in America, he could go almost anywhere.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:16 pm to
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. If I went to a ted nugent show, do you think I would get to respond to anything he said? No I wouldn't.
See. Now that's just being a troll.

If Nugent stopped to say, "hey, look, Hawkeye is here...." Then proceeded to go with a bunch of passive aggressive shite, THEN, your example would be valid.

And. I'd say Ted was an arse for doing it.

As a lifelong artist myself, I can't even imagine taking the opportunity to insult my audience members and cast a spotlight on them to be booed.

It was typical pathetic liberal "MEism at its finest.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14958 posts
Posted on 11/29/16 at 5:16 pm to
See, Trump even makes Hamilton great again!

He helps all the people!
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