SO - what is wrong with Europe having its own military?

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and just be their big-brother ally

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I don’t even think we should commit to this. As long as they know we’ll come running to the rescue every time there’s trouble they won’t commit to building a real military. If we cut them off completely we can sit back and laugh as they have their little arms race and are forced to cut back on all their silly social programs that only exist because we’ve provided their defense and security for the past 3 generations.

I would assume it’s because the Eastern Europeans have said a European army would be a way to force them to follow what Germany orders.


Other than that I don’t care.

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SO - what is wrong with Europe having its own military?

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You've never studied history, have you?

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Quite a bit, actually. Sort of one of my hobbies.

But current politics is my passion now. I merely point out that I disagree with Trump's reaction to Macrone's statement. I figure Macrone was just being bombastic with his inclusion of USA in his statement.

But generally what is the objection to a Europe Defense Alliance with its own cohesive military - where we could join with them in a NATO like fashion, but with them footing the entire bill for their own forces?

Seems worthy of discussion to me.

A more logical, and short term objective would be for them to join the US in stopping chinese "trade" practices. As long as the world continues to feed the beast, they will continue to ramp up their military.

I watch their aggression in the south China sea, the incessant stealing of IP (including military tech), and when the US objects, the EU runs and hides.

War is on the horizon and its being funded with our own money.

But heh, the holidays are upon us and some Americans prefer cheap holiday decorations, who am I to judge.

And the media is complicit, remember Hitler was Time magazines man of the year....

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I believe trump was more offended by them lumping is in with China and Russia as threats.

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Yeah - that is what I think also - It is the sort of statement that Trump would make so he should have just ignored it.

IF however, the actual implementation were to slant that way, then that would be a HUGE problem.

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They can’t pay for a real army and all their socialist crap as well.

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Which is why I want them to try it.

And if they fail, the price of our bailing them out will be much higher.

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You've never studied history, have you?

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Well, it's been 70 years. I say that's long enough

We need to stop funding their defense.

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You're ready for WWIII?

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The United States is the only country ready for WWIII. It’s time the rest of the world catch up. Or not, I don’t care, but as far as I’m concerned the Europeans do not deserve our protection.

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this pushes Europe further down the path of non US reliance which historically has been a very bloody path for them

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Germany and Belgium are pretty much rearming most of Europe with small arms