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re: Smartest man on earth, Chris Langan, interview on many topics
Posted on 11/25/24 at 2:27 pm to AUin02
Posted on 11/25/24 at 2:27 pm to AUin02
I have had those thoughts but they quickly leave my head, because I have had enough instances of confirmation the past few years to unironically believe that everything happens for a reason, and am truly at peace with it now. I was just happy to be alive for a long time and got to a place where I would be ok if I never found a wife or made any money again. Once I got to that place I was then unexpectedly given those things in ways I didn’t think would have happened for me.
I have to remind myself of these things and not get complacent, and oddly enough this thread is doing just that for me as I haven’t thought about it in too long. I have been able to be a good influence and testimony to far more people than I would have assumed though, and that has been one aspect I for sure see as one of the purposes for my troubles.
I have to remind myself of these things and not get complacent, and oddly enough this thread is doing just that for me as I haven’t thought about it in too long. I have been able to be a good influence and testimony to far more people than I would have assumed though, and that has been one aspect I for sure see as one of the purposes for my troubles.
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 2:28 pm to AUin02
I can identify with you.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 2:31 pm to OBReb6
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I have to remind myself of these things and not get complacent, and oddly enough this thread is doing just that for me as I haven’t thought about it in too long
That's what prompted me to reply at all, I don't think about it as often these days but your post was a reminder, good time of the year to be thankful for what we have and where we are.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 2:33 pm to AUin02
No doubt. Glad we could assist one another
Posted on 11/25/24 at 2:35 pm to 756
Raised without a father in poverty, tagged with high IQ at early age but societal judgementalism, socio economic prejudice and an education system that said we all have to be apples in an apple crate ..thwarted me I did not and didn't want to fit in to the lie. All I wanted was truth
Been told all my life that I Don't play well in the sandbox with others.
Been told all my life that I Don't play well in the sandbox with others.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:07 pm to 756
Looking back I'm thankful for where I am at today it could have easily turned out much worse..only the grace of God carried me this far
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:13 pm to OBReb6
quote:Who's Who was a take it or leave it, but Mensa was a creepshow, at least for me. That's why I asked.
Was in Who’s Who in America as a kid.
The whole IQ thing remains off-putting as far as I'm concerned, for some of the reasons you've delineated. First off, IQ is relatively immutable. Achievement is not though. When an IQ moniker is attached, especially to a kid, it sets expectations ... High or Low. Macht nichts. High IQ leads to an outside attitude that the person started off life on third base.
For kids just trying to figure life out, it can be daunting.
What should be lauded as good work is guffawed or blown off as average or underachieving because "someone with 'that IQ' should do better."
It's one of the reasons I loved athletics. It was my turn at competing with, catching, and outperforming the gifted guys. All-district DB was unexpected. All-A's or regional wins at the Science Fair weren't. Football really helped me navigate the other stuff.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Opportunities, childhood trauma, etc. matter a great deal.
dont forget........ shudders from triggering emotion...... WHITE PRIVLEGE
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:21 pm to AUin02
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I think I would rather be more oblivious, more social, have better work ethic, and be more able to have my anxiety under control than be smart.
Ever read Voltaire's The Happy Brahmin?
I retire to my home stricken at my own curiosity and ignorance. I read our ancient books, and they double my darkness. I talk to my companions: some answer me that we must enjoy life and make game of mankind; others think they know a lot and lose themselves in a maze of wild ideas. Everything increases my anguish. I am ready sometimes to despair when I think that after all my seeking I do not know whence I came, whither I go, what I am nor what I shall become."
The same day I saw the old woman who lived near him. I asked her if she had ever been troubled by the thought that she was ignorant of the nature of her soul. She did not even understand my question. Never in all her life had she reflected for one single moment on one single point of all those which tormented the Brahmin. She believed will all her heart in the metamorphoses of Vishnu and, provided she could obtain a little Ganges water wherewith to wash herself, thought herself the happiest of women.
Struck with this mean creature's happiness, I returned to my wretched philosopher. "Are you not ashamed," said I, "to be unhappy when at your very door there lives an old automaton who thinks about nothing, and yet lives contentedly?"
"You are right," he replied. "I have told myself a hundred times that I should be happy if I were as brainless as my neighbor, and yet I do not desire such happiness."
My Brahmin's answer impressed me more than all the rest. I set to examining myself, and I saw that in truth I would not care to be happy at the price of being a simpleton.
I put the matter before some philosophers, and they were of my opinion. "Nevertheless," said I, "there is a tremendous contradiction in this mode of thought, for, after all, the problem is -- how to be happy. What does it matter whether one has brains or not? Further, those who are contented with their lot are certain of their contentment, whereas those who reason are not certain that they reason correctly. It is quite clear, therefore," I continued, "that we must choose not to have common sense, however little common sense may contribute to our discomfort." Everyone agreed with me, but I found nobody, notwithstanding, who was willing to accept the bargain of becoming a simpleton in order to become contented. From which I conclude that if we consider the question of happiness we must consider still more the question of reason.
But on reflection it seems that to prefer reason to felicity is to be very senseless. How can this contradiction be explained? Like all the other contradictions. It is a matter for much talk.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:25 pm to 756
For those in this Thread who have been challenged by their inability to tow the 'normal' line, you might read Robert Frost's "The Road Not Taken". The words have power. Never lament the hard trials that will temper and transform your character in ways that ease and worldly prosperity cannot. Sometimes, 'losing' is better than winning. I.e., "all things happen for the good of them that love God". Or in their heart, desire to know God.
I would have left this Reality by my own choice over 50 years ago, but for the imposition of the Lord Jesus Christ. Even to that point, I realize that the Lord had my back even when I was at the darkest levels. And times when mere 'coincidence' should have killed me.
It is hard to imagine, given the infinite complexity, but we exist in a 'Simulation' of sorts; one wherein "the hairs on our head are numbered".
Rejoice this Thanksgiving that you have been blessed (and 'cursed') with being "called" to a vision which is contrary to the temporal and trivial - in comparison to the Spiritual potential that exists - normality of the common perceptive bubble. "Seek and ye shall find...ask, and it shall be given". Langan knows this, and I think Elon will before this life is over. In fact, given the weight of this Time, it is likely that some of us will see "every knee will bow".
There are only two options. One being that we are children of a loving God, and by our educated choice, will live for an eternity. Going "in and out and finding pasture". The other is that we are Nature-based (no Self -Aware Essence/God) and will be non-existent at the end of this sojourn. There is peace in either scenario.
Best wishes and prayers to all who bear the yoke of the higher Calling.
I would have left this Reality by my own choice over 50 years ago, but for the imposition of the Lord Jesus Christ. Even to that point, I realize that the Lord had my back even when I was at the darkest levels. And times when mere 'coincidence' should have killed me.
It is hard to imagine, given the infinite complexity, but we exist in a 'Simulation' of sorts; one wherein "the hairs on our head are numbered".
Rejoice this Thanksgiving that you have been blessed (and 'cursed') with being "called" to a vision which is contrary to the temporal and trivial - in comparison to the Spiritual potential that exists - normality of the common perceptive bubble. "Seek and ye shall find...ask, and it shall be given". Langan knows this, and I think Elon will before this life is over. In fact, given the weight of this Time, it is likely that some of us will see "every knee will bow".
There are only two options. One being that we are children of a loving God, and by our educated choice, will live for an eternity. Going "in and out and finding pasture". The other is that we are Nature-based (no Self -Aware Essence/God) and will be non-existent at the end of this sojourn. There is peace in either scenario.
Best wishes and prayers to all who bear the yoke of the higher Calling.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:32 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:or perhaps e. e. cummings' "anyone lived in a pretty how town"
Robert Frost's "The Road Not Taken"
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:33 pm to NC_Tigah
Good post. Agree with all of it.
I have complicated opinions of the education system in general. I’m not convinced it will not become obsolete in its current form over the next couple of decades, especially with AI and the possibilities it presents. Certainly though I agree with your points on the pressures it can place on a child, and if you have a rebellious contrarian that I was they could do like I did and reject it all together to be just another normal kid, and take toxic behaviors to the extreme.
I have a daughter now and hope to have a couple more kids. She is showing signs of being gifted herself. But regardless of what her capabilities are, I just want to put her in an environment of a tight knit community of the small country private school in our area (what people derogatorily refer to as a segregation academy), because it is regular people with similar values. The academics are not impressive, but I don’t think that is as important as the community. I did most of my learning outside of school, because I wanted to, and that is what I would like for my kid to do if that is what they want.
I loved high school football, more than just about any other thing I’ve ever done. I was small, but put more effort into it than most and was a decent little contributor. Had some pretty gnarly injuries that I’m still dealing with the consequences of, yet I’ve been asked by my mother if I’d do it all over again and I never hesitate to say yes.
I have complicated opinions of the education system in general. I’m not convinced it will not become obsolete in its current form over the next couple of decades, especially with AI and the possibilities it presents. Certainly though I agree with your points on the pressures it can place on a child, and if you have a rebellious contrarian that I was they could do like I did and reject it all together to be just another normal kid, and take toxic behaviors to the extreme.
I have a daughter now and hope to have a couple more kids. She is showing signs of being gifted herself. But regardless of what her capabilities are, I just want to put her in an environment of a tight knit community of the small country private school in our area (what people derogatorily refer to as a segregation academy), because it is regular people with similar values. The academics are not impressive, but I don’t think that is as important as the community. I did most of my learning outside of school, because I wanted to, and that is what I would like for my kid to do if that is what they want.
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It's one of the reasons I loved athletics. It was my turn at competing with, catching, and outperforming the gifted guys. All-district DB was unexpected. All-A's or regional wins at the Science Fair weren't. Football really helped me navigate the other stuff.
I loved high school football, more than just about any other thing I’ve ever done. I was small, but put more effort into it than most and was a decent little contributor. Had some pretty gnarly injuries that I’m still dealing with the consequences of, yet I’ve been asked by my mother if I’d do it all over again and I never hesitate to say yes.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:45 pm to Vacherie Saint
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dont forget........ shudders from triggering emotion...... WHITE PRIVLEGE
It needs not be white, but yes, privilege can change outcomes in high IQ drastically.
There is a reason big brain ideas in the past are almost exclusive to the aristocratic class. It's not that they produce higher IQs exclusively.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:52 pm to UncleLogger
That's a really good example
He was smart enough to understand why he was so unhappy, we are designed for a state of nature, and the things that bring us joy and purpose don't involve sitting in offices working on spreadsheets. But he also couldn't think of a way out of it.
He was smart enough to understand why he was so unhappy, we are designed for a state of nature, and the things that bring us joy and purpose don't involve sitting in offices working on spreadsheets. But he also couldn't think of a way out of it.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:54 pm to OBReb6
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I loved high school football, more than just about any other thing I’ve ever done. I was small, but put more effort into it than most and was a decent little contributor. Had some pretty gnarly injuries that I’m still dealing with the consequences of, yet I’ve been asked by my mother if I’d do it all over again and I never hesitate to say yes.
I get that
I had the same experience with Lacrosse
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:55 pm to OBReb6
quote:I was accepted to med school in an accelerated program during my senior yr of HS. About two weeks later, a Northwestern (Natchitoches not Evanston
I loved high school football, more than just about any other thing I’ve ever done. I was small, but put more effort into it than most and was a decent little contributor. Had some pretty gnarly injuries that I’m still dealing with the consequences of, yet I’ve been asked by my mother if I’d do it all over again and I never hesitate to say yes.
) football coach approached me at a track meet about walking on as a DB there.... I honestly thought about it ... which would have supplanted the med school thing.
How crazy is that? But it's how much I loved FB.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It needs not be white, but yes, privilege can change outcomes in high IQ drastically.
There is a reason big brain ideas in the past are almost exclusive to the aristocratic class. It's not that they produce higher IQs exclusively.
This is true.
I’ve done several stints in rehab and have encountered as wide a variety of people as one can imagine. I met some people who grew up with terrible backgrounds that were extremely intelligent, but it just manifested in different ways. Resourcefulness in the most clever ways imaginable. Particularly guys who had been in prison, who come up with bonafide ingenious ways of crafting and smuggling things.
Hell, even the wide variety of ways that meth is made is ingenious itself. The number of methods is far more than I realized prior to engaging with these folks.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 3:59 pm to NC_Tigah
Thanks, NC. I look forward to consuming that. 'Manna' from Heaven.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:20 pm to OBReb6
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I met some people who grew up with terrible backgrounds that were extremely intelligent, but it just manifested in different ways. Resourcefulness in the most clever ways imaginable. Particularly guys who had been in prison, who come up with bonafide ingenious ways of crafting and smuggling things.
People like that become good problem solvers because they’ve had plenty of problems. If you’ve ever been poor you learn how to fix everything around the house and work on your car.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 4:21 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:Happy Thanksgiving RCD.
Happy Thanksgiving
I love cummings, btw.
All in green went my love riding is a beautiful piece.
I used to do fun iterations of "hist whist little ghostthings" as I'd tease and tickle my kids. Good times.
or by contrast, one of his last pieces (typed L's being identical to 1's)
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