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re: Slager case declared mistrial
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:58 pm to Hawkeye95
Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:58 pm to Hawkeye95
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that is the thing, there is enough of america that believe cops can do no wrong.
well this goes both ways. how do you think defense lawyers in cases with YBMs go analyze their jurors? it's part of the system
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but I think many in the BLM movement would suggest that due process doesn't exist for young black males.
they are wrong
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Posted on 12/5/16 at 2:58 pm to MSMHater
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If you can't get a conviction for this one, you might as well stop trying.
If a regular person shot someone who was not a threat to their life -- shot them in the back -- that person would go inside the prison system and never come out.
In the Marines we were taught we could only apply deadly force against a fleeing suspect if and only if we knew or reasonably suspected that the suspect had been involved in a serious crime against another such as rape, murder or arson.
Are the Police WRITTEN GUIDELINES on Deadly Force ever produced at these trials?
This post was edited on 12/5/16 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but I think many in the BLM movement would suggest that due process doesn't exist for young black males.
they are wrong
It clearly does not exist for some black males.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they are wrong
um, I think this case is sorta an indicator that they are in fact not wrong.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:00 pm to Hawkeye95
One case?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:01 pm to MSMHater
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Minutes later, that defendant, Michael T. Slager, the North Charleston police officer who shot and killed Walter L. Scott during a traffic stop and foot pursuit, ended nearly 20 months of silence and told a jury that he had been consumed by “total fear” in the moments before he opened fire on April 4, 2015.
“I see him with a Taser in his hand as I see him spinning around,” Mr. Slager, 35, said as he described the fatal encounter with Mr. Scott, 50. “That’s the only thing I see: that Taser in his hand.”
Scared for his life as he shoots a man running away from 20+ feet...
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:01 pm to Hawkeye95
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um, I think this case is sorta an indicator that they are in fact not wrong.
this case has nothing to do with due process rights of any black man
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:02 pm to Fun Bunch
Well I don't really agree that all young black males are denied due process, but i do think they are more likely to be denied due process than other sub groups.
but due process has been eroded for decades - see civil forfeiture.
but due process has been eroded for decades - see civil forfeiture.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:03 pm to Hawkeye95
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um, I think this case is sorta an indicator that they are in fact not wrong.
Who knows what the hold out is basing it on.
I do think there are examples of black people getting screwed by our system, or at least having laws applied in uneven fashion. But I don't think this is an example of that. It's an example of the inherent issues that accompany having normal people sit as fact finders.
Plus, too much of the "minorities can't get due process" argument is premised on arguments that are equally applicable to poor whites.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:03 pm to Hawkeye95
shite, I'll give you an even more mundane example:
Red Light Camera tickets.
Red Light Camera tickets.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this case has nothing to do with due process rights of any black man
its about a black man being shot in the back as he runs away from a police officer. was that man denied due process?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:07 pm to Pax Regis
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That shooting looked a little unjustified
You think?
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:07 pm to Hawkeye95
In the sense that he was murdered instead of arrested, I guess.
But this particular case really isn't about Due Process.
Its about the Blue Shield
But this particular case really isn't about Due Process.
Its about the Blue Shield
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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um, I think this case is sorta an indicator that they are in fact not wrong.
this case has nothing to do with due process rights of any black man
That is a finely split hair. It is a case where a white man who shot a black man has avoided due process, or at least so far.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:10 pm to Pax Regis
I find it amusing when people who lectured that Hillary has never been convicted of a crime and therefore should be treated as innocent......would now riot in the streets over the injustice of a man not being found guilty by that same process.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:12 pm to McChowder
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I find it amusing when people who lectured that Hillary has never been convicted of a crime and therefore should be treated as innocent......would now riot in the streets over the injustice of a man not being found guilty by that same process.
Slager has not been found not guilty.
Your argument is a straw man any way.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:13 pm to WhiskeyPapa
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has avoided due process
not sure if serious...
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:13 pm to Pax Regis
He was justified
Slager deserves to walk and should sue the city.
Slager deserves to walk and should sue the city.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:14 pm to Fun Bunch
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In the sense that he was murdered instead of arrested, I guess.
aren't the federal charges against him about denying him his civil rights?
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Its about the Blue Shield
it can be about both things.
Posted on 12/5/16 at 3:15 pm to Fun Bunch
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Its about the Blue Shield
It is about that, but there is also a racial component of it. I'm pretty confident saying that if Scott was white, the chances of him being shot at as he fled would be lower. I'm also fairly confident the chances of finding a juror who could sympathize with Slager's fear for his life would have been lower if Scott was white.
The violent crime statistics for black men as a subgroup are partially to blame for Scott's murder and Slager's mistrial. That is unacceptable for two arms of the judicial system.
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