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re: Sky Screamers Rejoice! Senate votes to repeal the repeal of Net Neutrality
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:40 pm to IllegalPete
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:40 pm to IllegalPete
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Senate just voted 52-47 to repeal whatever it was that the FCC did last December
The only reason McConnell let it come up for a vote is because the Democrats intended to make that a campaign issue this fall.
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:41 pm to bmy
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No.. i think better government means more freedom. World history has proven it time and time again.
You're confused.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:42 pm to brian_wilson
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I think people look at their internet bill and go frick YOU.
So, your reason for supporting Net Neutrality is based on price control?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:44 pm to bmy
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The constitution is a regulatory document and resulted in the most free country in history
The regulations in the Constitution are against the government, not the people. To compare that to government regiulation in the people is insane. It's completely backwards.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:44 pm to olddawg26
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Am I wrong
Well. You've had to deploy the wrong side argument and the "old people" argument
Lets just say it's not your best work
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:44 pm to Fireman17
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no way it gets thru House and even it does.. Trump will never sign it.
You want to show the world you're a corporate shill/p4p president? This is how you do it
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:45 pm to olddawg26
quote:Potentially. "Wrong side of history" is a dumb saying because it tries to lend credibility to one side of an argument by hoping people in the future will agree with that side. It's essentially trying to say you're position is right because more people agree with it (consensus), except we're talking about people in the future. That's not how you're supposed to justify the validity of a position.
Am I wrong
But yeah, competition is an issue for NN because of government regulations. The proposed solution to government regulations is more government regulation. That is not a good solution.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:46 pm to ShortyRob
I wasn’t really being serious with the comment, but I think repealing NN was a bad move. In the vast majority of issues I think government regulation is a bad thing, this is one of the only ones I think for now they’re needed
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:48 pm to BBONDS25
Except the ISP’s are government granted monopolies in most places. They’re a thin veneer of capitalism over a public service system. It’s like being a government service without the accountability. It would be like allowing the post office to decide that people with the wrong opinion or people who don’t send out enough junk mail through the postal system don’t get their mail. Oh, and in this scenario, most people don’t have access to a UPS or Fed Ex
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:48 pm to IllegalPete
Can someone please tell me how repealing NN somehow makes the Internet better?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:49 pm to FooManChoo
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But yeah, competition is an issue for NN because of government regulations. The proposed solution to government regulations is more government regulation. That is not a good solution.
Cool...so...lets assume NN stays repealed. What's going to change other than the likelihood consumers get fricked more than now?
New competition isn't going to enter the market. It's too late for that.
ETA: My point is I've only seen people happy about this in this thread based on their ideals. I don't see any way this impacts people other than negatively.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:51 pm to ShortyRob
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It's no accident that all you liberals who have demonstrated blindingly pathetic understanding of economics and business are on the same side of this issue.
Wow. That has to be a top ten self-five of the year.
Congratulate yourself again.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:52 pm to IllegalPete
Good so Reddit will FINALLY shut up about it?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:53 pm to IllegalPete
so giving more power to google, twitter, facebook, etc and less privacy for all.
Well done, lemmings.
Well done, lemmings.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:53 pm to DeathValley85
quote:The problem remains: government providing barriers to entry into the market. Neither NN or the lack thereof will address that issue. If you want government to do something, get government out of its own way to allow competitors to come into the market and compete for business by offering more ISP options.
Cool...so...lets assume NN stays repealed. What's going to change other than the likelihood consumers get fricked more than now?
New competition isn't going to enter the market. It's too late for that.
The solution is innovation and competition. If you've got more companies vying for business, you won't have anyone putting in tollbooths and creating packages because a competitor will steal business away by providing open access.
quote:It's been about six months since the FCC took action on this and I haven't seen any negative impacts whatsoever.
ETA: My point is I've only seen people happy about this in this thread based on their ideals. I don't see any way this impacts people other than negatively.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:56 pm to notsince98
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so giving more power to google, twitter, facebook, etc and less privacy for all.
Well done, lemmings.
at least nothing will be stopping you from using an alternative service.. unlike a world without net neutrality principles.
i give zero shits about the Title II classification. ideally a regulatory framework would be created, passed, and then the Title II classification would be rescinded and the jurisdiction over ISPs moved to a modern Act with a light-touch framework that promotes competition and protects consumer interests.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 3:58 pm to FooManChoo
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The problem remains: government providing barriers to entry into the market.
The government isn't the only barrier for new entrants into the market. The infrastructure layout required for new entrants is the biggest deterrent.
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It's been about six months since the FCC took action on this and I haven't seen any negative impacts whatsoever.
The repeal hasn't taken effect yet.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:00 pm to FooManChoo
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The problem remains: government providing barriers to entry into the market. Neither NN or the lack thereof will address that issue. If you want government to do something, get government out of its own way to allow competitors to come into the market and compete for business by offering more ISP options.
I’m perhaps maybe just a cynic but I don’t think when you remove the government in this situation that you remove the barriers. I don’t expect competition to come forth at all.
So in my view you might as well just keep the NN bandaid.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:05 pm to IllegalPete
"The Kids can now go to college" - OMLandshark
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:11 pm to The Spleen
quote:Local governments have to grant access to the existing infrastructure or to build upon it and they are owned by the big boys that are already there.
The government isn't the only barrier for new entrants into the market. The infrastructure layout required for new entrants is the biggest deterrent.
A guy in my neighborhood was trying to start his own ISP and was petitioning the city for access. He was repeatedly denied.
quote:No, it hasn't, that wouldn't stop my ISP from making changes or at least preparing for changes once the June sunset takes place. I haven't heard a peep about it. In fact, all of the public comments made have been the opposite. There isn't any financial benefit to limiting access.
The repeal hasn't taken effect yet
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