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re: Simple Solution: only permit one protest at a time per place
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:53 am to mmcgrath
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:53 am to mmcgrath
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If there was some sort of credible threat that they were responding to, then fine. But it doesn't sound like there was any.
i seriously doubt there was. the CPD/VASP were just itching to shut down the protest
they tried to revoke the permit before they were even allowed to march and got sued and lost
that's why there has been a pattern of violence by leftists groups. they know if they create an unstable situation, everything gets shut down. that's their exact plan on college campuses, especially after the Berkeley riots
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Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:54 am to LetsgoGamecocks
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I heard the mayor or police chief ordered a stand down of officers which allowed the antifa rioters to clash without anyone stopping them. That person should be charged
Well that would fit the pattern we've seen prior to this dozens of times.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:58 am to PsychTiger
quote:Yes, they have been looking for this fire starter. Just watch the media reaction to this versus all the other events that were caused by a Bernie Bro or similar. The contrast will be startling.
The left wanted this, don't let them fool you. They have been losing ground since Trump began MAGAing all over the place and needed a rallying cry.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
My understanding is ANTIFA didn't have a permit.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:00 am to TimeOutdoors
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My understanding is ANTIFA didn't have a permit.
Won't matter. The left plays by different rules.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:00 am to SlowFlowPro
How are you going to stop unorganized counter protesters? How do you know who will commit violence ahead of actually committing violence?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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they can counter protest in another area at the same time
Doesn't seem like a good idea for government to get to decide who gets the "good" spot. Even if you try to do a first come first served process the permit issuers and the courts could control the system and pick winners and losers.
Also, even if you can devise a system that separates the groups, individuals will always have a right to attend a protest of the opposition. I don't see how you get around that.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
I thought that was the purpose of permits? Isnt this supposed to always be the case?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:03 am to junkfunky
Can't counter protest without a permit.
Can't protest without a permit.
Can't protest without a permit.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:03 am to junkfunky
I think Y.A.'s Tittle is the best Tittle.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:04 am to junkfunky
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People have the right to counter protest.
They have the right to peaceful assembly.
FIFY
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Do you think we are reaching a point where there can be no protests?
Meaning the strains placed on some of these areas and their LEO. Berkley got some shite for many reasons, but one I feel was valid. If they do not have the manpower to keep people safe, that is a legitimate reason.
Things are now only gonna get more heated. And all parties are not very sympathetic all in all. White Nationalists, BLM, ANTIFA, Unite the Right?
Meaning the strains placed on some of these areas and their LEO. Berkley got some shite for many reasons, but one I feel was valid. If they do not have the manpower to keep people safe, that is a legitimate reason.
Things are now only gonna get more heated. And all parties are not very sympathetic all in all. White Nationalists, BLM, ANTIFA, Unite the Right?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:05 am to cwill
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How are you going to stop unorganized counter protesters?
arrest them?
i mean what would they do if those groups showed up to disrupt a Mardi Gras parade? arrest them. same thing
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How do you know who will commit violence ahead of actually committing violence?
not even necessary if you split up the permits
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:06 am to cwill
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How are you going to stop unorganized counter protesters?
Many universities have found a way by banning the event before it happens.
See, Milo, Ann Coulter and David Shapiro.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:07 am to junkfunky
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Doesn't seem like a good idea for government to get to decide who gets the "good" spot.
whomever got the permit first
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Even if you try to do a first come first served process the permit issuers and the courts could control the system and pick winners and losers.
not if it's first come, first serve
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individuals will always have a right to attend a protest of the opposition. I don't see how you get around that.
and if they try to disrupt the protest...
again just like i described to cwill. think of the original protest like a parade (which has to go through the same permits)
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:07 am to Catman88
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They have the right to peaceful assembly.
Protesting/counter protesting is non-violent. The second it becomes violent it is a riot.
Not sure why you associated protest with violence.
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:08 am to TxTiger82
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Victim blaming
wut?
history shows that it's the leftists who show up and commit violence in these situations and we don't really have information re: VA to rule one way or another
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:09 am to junkfunky
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Not sure why you associated protest with violence.
the multiple months of leftist "counter protests" that immediately turn violent?
Posted on 8/13/17 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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not if it's first come, first serve
What happens if the original applicant's permit is revoked ("for safety" or any reason) and then the counter protest applicant is approved?
My issue with it is it gives the government more power.
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