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Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:11 am to Scruffy
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Well, that was part of my initial post.
Yes, I know it was. You and I agree. My point is that you and I do not agree with powerman.
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I would bet they would support it if RFK supported it.
Of course they would. That's populism. That's the populist world we now live in.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:13 am to Scruffy
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If we instill this mindset into the children now, maybe they will carry it into the future.
Now this is where I peel off from agreeing with you.
Schools only influence children to any significant degree in the direction of their home culture. You're not going to overcome that.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:18 am to Powerman
The US would never be able to do anything like that.
I'll admit we in the US suck as a society in many ways. Our eating and overall health is one.
I'll admit we in the US suck as a society in many ways. Our eating and overall health is one.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:41 am to i am dan
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The US would never be able to do anything like that.
I'll admit we in the US suck as a society in many ways. Our eating and overall health is one
So we should just give up completely and never try to improve anything?
Why such a defeatist attitude? Just because we can't change things overnight, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:44 am to Powerman
Japan is also a homogeneous, disciplined, ordered society. The United States isn’t.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:49 am to TFH
quote:Good Lord
First, we have much less upward mobility than much of Europe. We do have sheer numbers, because we have a huge population.
You simply have no clue, do you.
SOL in Europe is nowhere near that of the US. Median Americans would be appalled to be transitioned to a median EU lifestyle.
There are a few laughable "studies" addressing upward mobility in Europe. E.g., Movement from Top 10% to Top 1% in countries where the differential between the two is $75K (For example $90K/yr is Top10% in Germany; $165/yr qualifies as Top1%). In the US, that jump, Top10% to Top 1% would rate ~$500K. In those "upward mobility" studies, movement from Top 10% to Top 1% is roughly equal in the US vs Europe, $500K vs $75K.
Let's further take Germany or France as comparators. US median income roughly equals German Top10% income. German Top 1% does even make it into the US Top Quintile. Whereas < 20% of US wealth is inherited, 60% of the wealthy in France inherited their money. That number would be similar though Europe. The path to wealth in Europe is to be born rich. The path to wealth in the US is to create it through achievement, engaging American Exceptionalism.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:10 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Japan is also a homogeneous, disciplined, ordered society. The United States isn’t.
Maybe we should try to shift the culture in that direction instead of throwing our hands up and accepting mediocrity
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:14 am to Powerman
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really foolish to not even try
I went down a rabbit hole the other day watching videos of how japanese schools are structured and they get alot right regarding responsibility and buy in.
- Most schools have a garden where the kids are responsible for growing crops of their choice.
- they spend a certain amount of time each day cleaning in and around the school and have designated days in fall for picking up leaves on the school grounds.
- they rotate chores. Ie school cafeteria duty, animal care, restocking etc.
My kids go to a private school and i might bring some of this stuff up to see if we can start implementing some of it atleast on a small scale.. i dont see why not. There would be no downside
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:24 am to Powerman
Just adding fresh fruits and vegetables would be huge. Remove the processed foods and add more grains and wheat based food.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:45 am to Powerman
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So we should just give up completely and never try to improve anything?
Why such a defeatist attitude? Just because we can't change things overnight, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
Go hang out around some local public schools and tell me you don't have a defeatist attitude...
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:57 am to Powerman
I worked in schools in Japan for 5 years. These types of activities require everyone being on the same page. Everyone knows their role and performs it. From the VP down to the youngest first grader, everyone is participating in some way to make lunch time happen. No one does anything astronomical, but all the little cogs work together to complete the task.
The students and teachers clean the school too, and lawn maintenance
For a multitude of reasons, including cultural and societal differences, I could only see this working at select schools in the US
The students and teachers clean the school too, and lawn maintenance
For a multitude of reasons, including cultural and societal differences, I could only see this working at select schools in the US
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 10:59 am
Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:59 am to i am dan
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Go hang out around some local public schools and tell me you don't have a defeatist attitude...
And part of the reasons those schools suck is because we have an antiquated "this is how we have always done it" dumb frick line of thinking.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:01 am to Jackie Chan
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I worked in schools in Japan for 5 years. These types of activities require everyone being on the same page. Everyone knows their role and performs it. From the VP down to the youngest first grader, everyone is participating in some way to make lunch time happen. No one does anything astronomical, but all the little cogs work together to complete the task.
The students and teachers clean the school too, and lawn maintenance
For a multitude of reasons, including cultural and societal differences, I could only see this working at select schools in the US
I don't think it's something that can be achieved over night. But it is something to aspire to. If it takes 2 full generations then so be it.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:24 am to NC_Tigah
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You simply have no clue, do you.
You haven’t even been to Europe, my friend. You’d be shocked how well they live.
And you still haven’t been able to broaden your argument any further than economics(annnnnd failing) and war fighting.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:31 am to Powerman
They can do it because they are NOT diverse
We can’t have nice things because…. Well you know why we can’t have nice things
We can’t have nice things because…. Well you know why we can’t have nice things
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:57 am to Powerman
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And part of the reasons those schools suck is because we have an antiquated "this is how we have always done it" dumb frick line of thinking.
Nah, it's really about the flood of minorities into the schools.
The high school near me was a really good school 10 years ago. No problems at all. Good grades, good students. Ranked high in the state. Good area.
Then the area got annexed by Winston-Salem and the school went from about 70% white to maybe 25% white over the next 7 or 8 years.
Now there's brawls in the cafeteria twice a week, cops are over there all the time, been a few stabbings, and it is now ranked toward the bottom in the state in grades.
Winston School system is now in a $37M debt because it's ran by a bunch of leftist idiots, and they're raising our taxes because of the school system's incompetence.
I went to a graduation there a few years ago. Out of about 350 graduating students, only about 40 were on even on the beta club.
Many students have failing grades, but they just pass them through.
I bet that's not anecdotal either. Is that racist? Guess that's for you to decide. I'm just stating facts. If you think it's racist, I don't really care anymore.. I laugh.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:03 pm to TFH
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You haven’t even been to Europe
Again, you just have no clue.
I've traveled extensively to Europe.
I was there as recently as this month, in fact.
That's one reason I'm familiar with the issue.
quote:and entrepreneurialism, innovation, real upward mobility, societal organization, altruism, rewarded success, lifestyle, etc.
you still haven’t been able to broaden your argument any further than economics(annnnnd failing) and war fighting.
You simply have not absorbed the information I've provided for you, which, considering how little you brought to the table in the first place, is a shame.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:04 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:07 pm to i am dan
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Nah, it's really about the flood of minorities into the schools.
Typical - the status quo sucks but let's keep the status quo and then blame the entirety of it on minorities.
Why do white people have such terrible health in this country? Are the minorities forcing them to have bad eating habits?
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