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re: Should we copy the Japanese school lunch program? (Yes, obviously we should)

Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Well I've been to Spain,
But I've never been to Oklahoma
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Powerman

You should probably have a look at comparative tax rates for the US and Japan.
I expect that will help you understand why things are as they are.
For example,
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Japan: The country collects over 40% of its total tax revenue from social security contributions. Japan mandates a national pension (Nenkin) that all residents must pay into.
United States: Social security contributions account for 24% of total tax revenue, a lower share than the OECD average.

Just one small example.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:19 pm to
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You should probably have a look at comparative tax rates for the US and Japan.
I expect that will help you understand why things are as they are.

Or we could look at budget expenditures instead since that makes 10 times more sense.

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The federal government funds school lunch and breakfast programs at about 90,000 public and nonprofit private schools across the nation. The lunch program benefits 30 million children and will cost an estimated $17.4 billion in 2025, while the breakfast program benefits 16 million children and will cost $6.1 billion.


So between the lunch program and the breakfast program we're set to spend $23.5 billion. The FY 2025 budget is 6.6 trillion.

Let's say that the cost to get this implemented in all public schools is quadruple the current cost. Then let's just round it up to a clean 100 billion. We could easily offset that differential cost of ~$75 billion with fewer future expenditures on healthcare due to a healthier populace. And that's not to mention the multitude of other possible positive societal benefits that would come from the program.





Posted by BayouBaw84
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:42 pm to
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It was too few words, because it wasn't enough for you to comprehend the point. His point is that giving people "free" stuff teaches them to rely on "free" stuff.
Thank you.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:11 pm to
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Typical - the status quo sucks but let's keep the status quo and then blame the entirety of it on minorities.

Why do white people have such terrible health in this country? Are the minorities forcing them to have bad eating habits?


Those darn statistics rear their ugly head yet again...

This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 1:14 pm
Posted by TFH
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:20 pm to
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nd entrepreneurialism, innovation, real upward mobility, societal organization, altruism, rewarded success, lifestyle, etc.

Nice word salad, Kamala.

You keep throwing out words with no real basis. For every point you make I can show you a country that does it better. Face it, the time of American greatness is waning.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:52 pm to
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So we should just give up completely and never try to improve anything?


No, we should try strategies that actually have a chance to work.

OR, we should stop making society responsible for individual's choices and let the natural consequences of their choices apply the needed motivation for change.

But, "We've got to do SOMEthing, reeeee," is the leftist recipe for additional unforced error problems on top of the ones we already have.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:53 pm to
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Thank you.


Don't mention it!
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:55 pm to
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We could easily offset that differential cost of ~$75 billion with fewer future expenditures on healthcare due to a healthier populace.


We could.

If it would actually lead to that. But it wouldn't.

Do you not realize we've tried this already? The kids threw the food in the trash. And that was with some relatively minor tweaks to the menu, not the massive overhaul you're advocating for.

What is your evidence that we could reasonably expect savings of $75 billion by doing what you want to do?
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 2:01 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:55 pm to
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Nice word salad, Kamala.
Translation ...




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For every point you make I can show you a country that does it better.
And yet .... nothing.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13392 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 1:57 pm to
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Median Americans would be appalled to be transitioned to a median EU lifestyle.


Our poor people on government assistance have more living space than the average middle class citizen in most European countries.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:06 pm to
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Those darn statistics rear their ugly head yet again...


Yeah...so let's improve things

It seems like you're more concerned with being able to bitch about minorities than actually doing something that would improve lives for everyone

Weird take to be honest
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173558 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:08 pm to
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But, "We've got to do SOMEthing, reeeee," is the leftist recipe for additional unforced error problems on top of the ones we already have.

The status quo of serving fast food in public schools seems to be working out great.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:12 pm to
Remember Michelle Obama's nutritious and healthy school meal program?

None of the kids would eat it.

My kid was starving by the time football practice was over.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173558 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:14 pm to
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Remember Michelle Obama's nutritious and healthy school meal program?

None of the kids would eat it.

My kid was starving by the time football practice was over.

I'm not recommending that we implement anything remotely similar to that program

And obviously athletes in intense sports like football will require more calories than people in the chess club. Things could be done to account for athlete nutrition. It merely requires some simple problem solving. Which could be easily done if there is a nutrition specialist employed at each school.
Posted by TFH
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:21 pm to
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Translation

Why is your sister wearing my necklace? Wait, I gave her a white one…
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90499 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:30 pm to
Yeah her program was so bad kids would throw everything away versus eating the gruel she endorsed.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31617 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:31 pm to
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Yeah...so let's improve things

It seems like you're more concerned with being able to bitch about minorities than actually doing something that would improve lives for everyone

Weird take to be honest


My take is maybe they should get their crap together. That would improve the lives for everyone.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90499 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:36 pm to
Our school district has a nutritionist.
Wonder what she actually does lol
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13392 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:37 pm to
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The status quo of serving fast food in public schools seems to be working out great.


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Common sense gun control, that's all we need!

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