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Should we abolish Gerrymandering
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:30 pm
I have read articles and watch videos on gerrymandering. It seems like the system has caused major election problems.
By making special districts you guarantee one representative but create several others for the opposition.
You also get extremist inti power as they dont have to compete and mold their ideas to anyone.
Do you think it's possible to abolish it at federal and state level.
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:32 pm to volod
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Do you think it's possible to abolish it at federal and state level.
no
and NO as long as the VRA exists
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:32 pm to volod
Right after we abolish lobbying and establish congressional term limits, so....never.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:32 pm to volod
Why do you hate black people?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:33 pm to volod
If neighborhood districts were removed, people would eventually self-gerrymander.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:33 pm to volod
The fricking democrat party stupidly pushed for the minority districts that are the most gerrymandered and produced 2 or 3 republican districts for each.
Who will be the “impartial” line drawers?
Will they be “impartial” like “fact checkers”?
Who will be the “impartial” line drawers?
Will they be “impartial” like “fact checkers”?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:33 pm to volod
So now that libs figure out that gerrymandered racial districts tend to cram them all into one spot, and create Republican strongholds... It's bad? Lol.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:39 pm to volod
The biggest opponents of gerrymandering are black Democrats, who use it as a way to ensure majority-minority districts.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Bingo.
and NO as long as the VRA exists
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:44 pm to volod
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It seems like the system has caused major election problems.
Redistricting has to happen with reapportionment and the census. I know this won't be super popular, but we need to drastically enlarge the HOR - to something like 1000. With 435 - we're at or over 3/4 of a million citizens per every member of the house. At most, a rep should represent 300k, 400k.
Then you don't have as many games to play and reps are more responsive to a smaller constituency.
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By making special districts you guarantee one representative but create several others for the opposition
I understand what you're implying. Frankly, this is a hell of the Dems' own making when they convinced (wrongly, IMHO) black folks that their interests could only be represented by other black folks (and with the "correct" ideology, at that).
Erroneous assumptions + effective propaganda = bad policy and unexpected outcomes
This post was edited on 8/24/18 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:55 pm to Ace Midnight
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I know this won't be super popular, but we need to drastically enlarge the HOR - to something like 1000. With 435 - we're at or over 3/4 of a million citizens per every member of the house. At most, a rep should represent 300k, 400k.
Popular? My first choice would be to recognize that our experiment in "limited government" has failed. But I tend to agree that closer representation is usually better representation.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:55 pm to volod
District mapping should look like graph paper.
A straight line grid built counting left to right and up to down - squares!
A straight line grid built counting left to right and up to down - squares!
Posted on 8/24/18 at 1:59 pm to the808bass
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Why do you hate black people
Gerrymandering is a disservice to EVERYONE. It basically ensures that at the federal level, little negotiating takes place. So problems stay in perpetual limbo. This has devastated Black communities in particular.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:01 pm to SwatMitchell
This will work if you want unequal representation based on sq miles and not population.
Ok, so we pass a law outlawing "gerrymandering."
Now what?
Gerrymandering is not a thing or policy. It is a perception which is itself subjective. Some "gerrymandered" districts are obvious but not everyone agrees on some districts that have been identified as "gerrymandered."
Ok, so we pass a law outlawing "gerrymandering."
Now what?
Gerrymandering is not a thing or policy. It is a perception which is itself subjective. Some "gerrymandered" districts are obvious but not everyone agrees on some districts that have been identified as "gerrymandered."
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:01 pm to Tiger4Liberty
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My first choice would be to recognize that our experiment in "limited government" has failed. But I tend to agree that closer representation is usually better representation.
Limited government hit its first wall when the Articles of Confederation failed. It officially died when federal income taxes were passed.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and NO as long as the VRA exists
Apologies. I'm not familiar with VRA abuse. Has it really become that bad?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:10 pm to SwatMitchell
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District mapping should look like graph paper.
A straight line grid built counting left to right and up to down - squares!
This. Gerrymandering is basically legal cheating.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:16 pm to volod
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Should we abolish Gerrymandering
Honest question, how do you do that?
Any randomly drawn lines are going to be gerrymandered somehow.
(My personal solution is to give everybody X votes where X is the number of congressmen a state gets. You really like a candidate give them all your votes. Want to vote for multiple people, do that instead)
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:17 pm to volod
Districts should be drawn up by a nonpartisan group. It should not be drawn up by state legislatures and governors.
Gerrymandering hurts both republicans and democrats.
There are more red states so the Senate majority will almost always be republican. 2008 election will not be norm. This will probably change when Arizona, Florida, Nevada, and North Carolina continues to turn more blue.
Gerrymandering hurts people in a state when their party is in the minority and their congressional district is broken up to help a certain party.
Gerrymandering hurts both republicans and democrats.
There are more red states so the Senate majority will almost always be republican. 2008 election will not be norm. This will probably change when Arizona, Florida, Nevada, and North Carolina continues to turn more blue.
Gerrymandering hurts people in a state when their party is in the minority and their congressional district is broken up to help a certain party.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:18 pm to Helo
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Gerrymandering is not a thing or policy. It is a perception which is itself subjective. Some "gerrymandered" districts are obvious but not everyone agrees on some districts that have been identified as "gerrymandered."
A district should be based on geography. I've seen maps where people living in north, middle and Southern part of the state are in the "same district" when their economic and social situations vary considerably from county to county.
By geography, I mean a group of countries that are in proximity of each other.
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