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re: Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Per the impeachment process, he is not.
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
No.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
NO.
Nor should ANY elected officials. Taking bribes is a criminal offense and needs to be prosecuted, not protected.
Nor should ANY elected officials. Taking bribes is a criminal offense and needs to be prosecuted, not protected.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:58 pm to Ribbed
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How is the chief executive officer of the government capable of overthrowing himself?
You're trying to divert this thread into literal fantasy with facts that didn't happen. A pure hypothetical.
This thread is a diversion-free zone.
We can discuss actual allegations and prosecutions.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You're trying to divert this thread into literal fantasy with facts that didn't happen. A pure hypothetica
Isn't that your gig? Isn't that what you're doing right now?
How is the chief executive officer of the government capable of overthrowing himself?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:00 pm to Wednesday
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Yes. Unless he is impeached and removed he’s immune.
What if he exerts illegal pressure on either Congressmen or Senators to influence those votes? You can substitute in any manner of nefarious deed, from murdering their entire family to having the FBI plant evidence to manufacture crimes against them or their family, to having the National Guard ordered to surround their houses to prevent them from showing up to vote. Any illegal behavior works.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Of course! That's just Old Joe! It's part of his charm.
He gives it all way to charity, anyway.
Why this witchhunt on the Bidens? His son sacrificed his life in combat. The other one struggles with addiction. Have some compassion.
He gives it all way to charity, anyway.
Why this witchhunt on the Bidens? His son sacrificed his life in combat. The other one struggles with addiction. Have some compassion.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:00 pm to Ribbed
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Isn't that your gig? Isn't that what you're doing right now?
No. I think Biden actually took bribes.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
How is the chief executive officer of the government capable of overthrowing himself?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Let charges be brought against him and a case make it to court, then we'll talk about immunity
Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:03 pm to Ribbed
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How is the chief executive officer of the government capable of overthrowing himself?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
The sooner the government makes everyone, not counting the sane that already know they’re shite, with no other option than to view them as the enemy and ahole the better. January 6th…that might be a meeting of the red hat club in comparison.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:03 pm to L.A.
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Let charges be brought against him and a case make it to court, then we'll talk about immunity
It takes a whole lot of self delusion to believe there isn't inherent corruption in these proceedings and the actions of the federal government, specifically the white house and Justice Department. We don't care. We only want to see justice done on our enemies.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:04 pm to Ribbed
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It takes a whole lot of self delusion to believe there isn't inherent corruption in these proceedings and the actions of the federal government, specifically the white house and Justice Department.
We can assume you're 100% correct. Still has no relevance to this thread, which is about legal immunity of the President against any criminal charge.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?
He already is immune
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
Being slojoesbro will get you plenty of downvotes alone. Quit trying to deceive people with your word scramble.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Should Joe Biden be immune from prosecution for taking bribes while in office?
Are you asking about taking bribes when holding a previous office or taking bribes while not holding an office?
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What about taking bribes after he's in office?
That's covered in the Constitution.
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Article II, Section 4:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
My reading of this is that immunity should not extend to Treason, Bribery or "other high Crimes and Misdemeanors". There's the issue about what crimes are housed within "high Crimes and Misdemeanors", but that's a different topic since you specifically mentioned bribery.
Thus, the intent was to be able to prosecute (and remove) any officer of the federal government for the committing of certain crimes at least while in office.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
1. Define “illegal pressure.”
2. If it meets the elements of a criminal
offense, yes, he can be charged if he were impeached and removed first.
No president has ever been impeached and removed, so we don’t really know. The closest thing I can think of is the concept of immunity does extend to other government officials for their official, non discretionary actions. So I wouls assume the same concept could be be applied to the president, so long as he was convicted by the senate.
Just bc he did something unseemly, which made him subject to impeachment and removal, doesn’t mean he should be convicted of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. Whole different standard.
2. If it meets the elements of a criminal
offense, yes, he can be charged if he were impeached and removed first.
No president has ever been impeached and removed, so we don’t really know. The closest thing I can think of is the concept of immunity does extend to other government officials for their official, non discretionary actions. So I wouls assume the same concept could be be applied to the president, so long as he was convicted by the senate.
Just bc he did something unseemly, which made him subject to impeachment and removal, doesn’t mean he should be convicted of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. Whole different standard.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yes. Impeach first. Then try for crimes if removed.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Hell no
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