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re: Should a US Citizen have the right to protect property by use of deadly force?

Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:30 am to
Posted by millerf43
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
457 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:30 am to
Would you defund the police? Should the state have the right to use deadly force? If an individual has to enforce a "natural law," why would the individual consent to the state's power to use force?
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:31 am to
In WI, per the Kyletrial, you cannot protect property with deadly force.

Kyle is not on trial for that.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
33179 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:32 am to
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Should a US Citizen have the right to protect property by use of deadly force?


Any property? Your question is too general.

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78916 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:34 am to
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course they can, ...and should. Why is this being asked?


Because there are people that don’t believe you should.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
78916 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:35 am to
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Only one down vote! I had no idea we had so many anarchists on board. I'll have to disagree and downvote.


My point. This dude thinks protecting your property and family is anarchy.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14297 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:47 am to
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Would you defund the police?


Not completely, no. We have laws, and someone must enforce them. Make me king and I'll immediately eliminate probably 75% of the laws that they have to enforce. Then I cut funding to the point that will cover just the enforcement of what's left.

quote:

Should the state have the right to use deadly force?


Absolutely. I think that in select cases where there is no possibility that the defendant is innocent, appeals should be severely limited, and execution should be soon. For violent crimes such as rape, you get 1 chance that comes with a harsh prison sentence. Conviction #2 comes with execution.

quote:

If an individual has to enforce a "natural law," why would the individual consent to the state's power to use force?


Because it is not the states responsibility or mandate to protect every citizen at all times. It is the individual's responsibility to protect himself and others if needs be. What must be eliminated is the state trying such an individual, when it is indisputable that the person was in fact enforcing that natural law. The prosecutors in the KR case, all the way up to the district attorney should be facing charges themselves, not to mention being disbarred.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112428 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:53 am to
quote:

Should a US Citizen have the right to protect property by use of deadly force?

Certainly, yes.
Posted by JimmyMcNulty
Member since Mar 2015
126 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:57 am to
Only if protecting your own property.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
84710 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:02 pm to
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so you value your property more than the lives of you fellow man


I can guarantee those stealing my property value IT more than they value MY life, and would likely have no qualms about attempting to kill me if I caught them in the act.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60596 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:11 pm to
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"so you value your property more than the lives of you fellow man"
People constantly confuse rights with requirements. If you don't want to defend your property--you don't have to--even if you have the right to do so.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
17639 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:13 pm to
If it’s on my property or my vehicle then yes.
If the law allowed criminals to pay a price again then crime would be heavily reduced. Far less repeat offenders for sure.
Posted by Dominate308
South Florida
Member since Jan 2013
2895 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:26 pm to
If you mean hanging thieves, I vote yes.
Posted by millerf43
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2019
457 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:35 pm to
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What must be eliminated is the state trying such an individual, when it is indisputable that the person was in fact enforcing that natural law.


The tragedy of the Rittenhouse trial is that a 17 year old kid is on trial for the state's failure to maintain order. This trial is what happens when adults allow children to run society. We're punishing a kid because the adults failed to stop children from burning a city.

Rittenhouse shouldn't have brought a gun to defend the property because he shouldn't have been in the position having to defend the property. Why isn't the mayor on trial; how about the police chief? Why is a kid on trial instead of those put in charge of maintaining order?

I'm kind of thinking we have the government we deserve.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14297 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:45 pm to
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If you mean hanging thieves, I vote yes.


Depending on the value of the thievery, I'm good with the time honored punishment of removing a finger. Seems like it would be a good daily reminder not to take other people's shite.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16505 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:58 pm to
Yes - if someone is willing to violate your personal boundaries enough to enter property that he doesn’t own, you have the right to assume he would ignore them to physically harm you.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14297 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:11 pm to
PT Board Law Offices of Wednesday and Lightning have spoken.

I bet you didn't even know you were being talked about the other day, did you?
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4777 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:12 pm to
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The tragedy of the Rittenhouse trial is that a 17 year old kid is on trial for the state's failure to maintain order. This trial is what happens when adults allow children to run society. We're punishing a kid because the adults failed to stop children from burning a city.

Rittenhouse shouldn't have brought a gun to defend the property because he shouldn't have been in the position having to defend the property. Why isn't the mayor on trial; how about the police chief? Why is a kid on trial instead of those put in charge of maintaining order?

I'm kind of thinking we have the government we deserve.



As stated, the police can't be everywhere all of the time. Individuals must take responsibility for some aspects of their life. You should like you want the government to nanny you from birth until grave..
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:19 pm to
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so you value your property more than the lives of you fellow man


I don't value the lives of the majority of leftists all that much.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
14964 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:22 pm to
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Who is the commie downvoter?


Maograth, tardzana, c on z, LiberalHank…
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 1:23 pm
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
24933 posts
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:25 pm to
You loot, we shoot. Stay your ignorant lawless arse away from me and mine and nothing bad happens.

I am not coming looking for you. But threaten my family or what's mine and there will be a problem.

To those crying about me valuing property over someone's life, I say the person coming after my property places little value on his life, or mine.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 1:27 pm
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