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re: Should a US Citizen have the right to protect property by use of deadly force?
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:30 am to troyt37
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:30 am to troyt37
Would you defund the police? Should the state have the right to use deadly force? If an individual has to enforce a "natural law," why would the individual consent to the state's power to use force?
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:31 am to Areddishfish
In WI, per the Kyletrial, you cannot protect property with deadly force.
Kyle is not on trial for that.
Kyle is not on trial for that.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:32 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Should a US Citizen have the right to protect property by use of deadly force?
Any property? Your question is too general.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:34 am to hogcard1964
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course they can, ...and should. Why is this being asked?
Because there are people that don’t believe you should.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:35 am to millerf43
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Only one down vote! I had no idea we had so many anarchists on board. I'll have to disagree and downvote.
My point. This dude thinks protecting your property and family is anarchy.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:47 am to millerf43
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Would you defund the police?
Not completely, no. We have laws, and someone must enforce them. Make me king and I'll immediately eliminate probably 75% of the laws that they have to enforce. Then I cut funding to the point that will cover just the enforcement of what's left.
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Should the state have the right to use deadly force?
Absolutely. I think that in select cases where there is no possibility that the defendant is innocent, appeals should be severely limited, and execution should be soon. For violent crimes such as rape, you get 1 chance that comes with a harsh prison sentence. Conviction #2 comes with execution.
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If an individual has to enforce a "natural law," why would the individual consent to the state's power to use force?
Because it is not the states responsibility or mandate to protect every citizen at all times. It is the individual's responsibility to protect himself and others if needs be. What must be eliminated is the state trying such an individual, when it is indisputable that the person was in fact enforcing that natural law. The prosecutors in the KR case, all the way up to the district attorney should be facing charges themselves, not to mention being disbarred.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:53 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:Certainly, yes.
Should a US Citizen have the right to protect property by use of deadly force?
Posted on 11/11/21 at 11:57 am to Eli Goldfinger
Only if protecting your own property.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:02 pm to troyt37
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so you value your property more than the lives of you fellow man
I can guarantee those stealing my property value IT more than they value MY life, and would likely have no qualms about attempting to kill me if I caught them in the act.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:11 pm to troyt37
quote:People constantly confuse rights with requirements. If you don't want to defend your property--you don't have to--even if you have the right to do so.
"so you value your property more than the lives of you fellow man"
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:13 pm to Eli Goldfinger
If it’s on my property or my vehicle then yes.
If the law allowed criminals to pay a price again then crime would be heavily reduced. Far less repeat offenders for sure.
If the law allowed criminals to pay a price again then crime would be heavily reduced. Far less repeat offenders for sure.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:26 pm to jcaz
If you mean hanging thieves, I vote yes.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:35 pm to troyt37
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What must be eliminated is the state trying such an individual, when it is indisputable that the person was in fact enforcing that natural law.
The tragedy of the Rittenhouse trial is that a 17 year old kid is on trial for the state's failure to maintain order. This trial is what happens when adults allow children to run society. We're punishing a kid because the adults failed to stop children from burning a city.
Rittenhouse shouldn't have brought a gun to defend the property because he shouldn't have been in the position having to defend the property. Why isn't the mayor on trial; how about the police chief? Why is a kid on trial instead of those put in charge of maintaining order?
I'm kind of thinking we have the government we deserve.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:45 pm to Dominate308
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If you mean hanging thieves, I vote yes.
Depending on the value of the thievery, I'm good with the time honored punishment of removing a finger. Seems like it would be a good daily reminder not to take other people's shite.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 12:58 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Yes - if someone is willing to violate your personal boundaries enough to enter property that he doesn’t own, you have the right to assume he would ignore them to physically harm you.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:11 pm to Wednesday
PT Board Law Offices of Wednesday and Lightning have spoken.
I bet you didn't even know you were being talked about the other day, did you?

I bet you didn't even know you were being talked about the other day, did you?
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:12 pm to millerf43
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The tragedy of the Rittenhouse trial is that a 17 year old kid is on trial for the state's failure to maintain order. This trial is what happens when adults allow children to run society. We're punishing a kid because the adults failed to stop children from burning a city.
Rittenhouse shouldn't have brought a gun to defend the property because he shouldn't have been in the position having to defend the property. Why isn't the mayor on trial; how about the police chief? Why is a kid on trial instead of those put in charge of maintaining order?
I'm kind of thinking we have the government we deserve.
As stated, the police can't be everywhere all of the time. Individuals must take responsibility for some aspects of their life. You should like you want the government to nanny you from birth until grave..
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:19 pm to troyt37
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so you value your property more than the lives of you fellow man
I don't value the lives of the majority of leftists all that much.
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:22 pm to burger bearcat
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Who is the commie downvoter?
Maograth, tardzana, c on z, LiberalHank…
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 11/11/21 at 1:25 pm to Areddishfish
You loot, we shoot. Stay your ignorant lawless arse away from me and mine and nothing bad happens.
I am not coming looking for you. But threaten my family or what's mine and there will be a problem.
To those crying about me valuing property over someone's life, I say the person coming after my property places little value on his life, or mine.
I am not coming looking for you. But threaten my family or what's mine and there will be a problem.
To those crying about me valuing property over someone's life, I say the person coming after my property places little value on his life, or mine.
This post was edited on 11/11/21 at 1:27 pm
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