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re: Shapiro Is a Little Snake in the Grass
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:45 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:45 pm to wackatimesthree
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I don't know about that.
He's a good bit more conservative than most of the populists here.
I can really sense the "conservativism" here. He sounds exactly like Biden on this.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:46 pm to Damone
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MAGA folks have a distinct Zionist streak, they should love this
Why in the world would you say such a thing?
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:48 pm to GetYouThatCope
When you actually look at that, he’s not being logical.
In what way does the war in Ukraine threaten western supply chains. It doesn’t. He states that Russia invading its neighbors is a problem for us, but he presents this out of context, what were we doing in Ukraine and Georgia, he’s telling us how the Russians reacted but not what we did to provoke them, and he doesn’t establish why these invasions hurts us. Ultimately Georgia and Ukraine are irrelevant to our existence as Americans. What the Russians do there doesn’t matter to us.
He does make the credibility argument (honor) and says that if we fail to defend Ukraine, it makes an invasion of Taiwan more likely. That is true to some extent, but we are to blame for this. Our policies sparked the war in Ukraine, and unfortunately for Ukraine, and for us, this is not a war we can win. Russias human and material resources are an insurmountable advantage. Losing will be a mark against our honor, but we did this to ourselves and there’s nothing we can do prevent it. It’s also better to cut bait than invest in failure at this point. Further, if we’re serious about Taiwan, we should be investing in the navy and our shipyards.
In what way does the war in Ukraine threaten western supply chains. It doesn’t. He states that Russia invading its neighbors is a problem for us, but he presents this out of context, what were we doing in Ukraine and Georgia, he’s telling us how the Russians reacted but not what we did to provoke them, and he doesn’t establish why these invasions hurts us. Ultimately Georgia and Ukraine are irrelevant to our existence as Americans. What the Russians do there doesn’t matter to us.
He does make the credibility argument (honor) and says that if we fail to defend Ukraine, it makes an invasion of Taiwan more likely. That is true to some extent, but we are to blame for this. Our policies sparked the war in Ukraine, and unfortunately for Ukraine, and for us, this is not a war we can win. Russias human and material resources are an insurmountable advantage. Losing will be a mark against our honor, but we did this to ourselves and there’s nothing we can do prevent it. It’s also better to cut bait than invest in failure at this point. Further, if we’re serious about Taiwan, we should be investing in the navy and our shipyards.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:48 pm to GetYouThatCope
Ah. Okay. Now that I know what I'm working with I can see that you are just as dumb and naive as the person in your gif.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:50 pm to GetYouThatCope
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I can really sense the "conservativism" here.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:54 pm to RollTide1987
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Ah. Okay. Now that I know what I'm working with I can see that you are just as dumb and naive as the person in your gif.
Carry on.
Who cares what you think when if you actually convinced yourself that neocons haven't been at the helm of US foreign policy since Kennedy was assassinated.
One non-neocon president in several decades and they've tried to take him out by appoint special counsel over Russian hoax, then tried to impeach him 2x, then are trying to imprison him on BS charges.
Go jerk it with Ukrosimps in OT. Cause that thread wouldn't last here a day without them e-suiciding.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:56 pm to Lima Whiskey
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When you actually look at that, he’s not being logical.
In what way does the war in Ukraine threaten western supply chains. It doesn’t. He states that Russia invading its neighbors is a problem for us, but he presents this out of context, what were we doing in Ukraine and Georgia, he’s telling us how the Russians reacted but not what we did to provoke them, and he doesn’t establish why these invasions hurts us. Ultimately Georgia and Ukraine are irrelevant to our existence as Americans. What the Russians do there doesn’t matter to us.
The little shill is actually implying the supply lines would improve if we expand and prolong the war in Ukraine.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 5:57 pm to GetYouThatCope
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I can really sense the "conservativism" here.
Again with the tribal populism. He and Biden agree on something, so the position can't be conservative.
Let's do it another way. Tell me how it's not conservative using actual conservative principles, not by who else agrees or doesn't agree with it.
Or if you can only argue by authority, which Republican president in your lifetime would disagree with what he said? I'd argue none of them. So none of them were conservative?
Y'all problem is that you think idiot -arse socialist "Capitalism is bad because it produces Dollar Stores" conspiracy-nutter Tucker Carlson is conservative with his "Merca First" bullshite.
For the past 100 + years almost every time the United States got involved in foreign affairs—including foreign conflicts—the world became a safer place, and almost every time we (should have but) didn't, the world became more dangerous.
This isolationist bullshite that has become so popular so quickly is a really bad idea and history proves it.
Also, if you're one of the "Merca First" parrots, I hope you are not planning on voting for Donald Trump. Because he did stuff during his presidency to inflame foreign passions that if Ben Shapiro or Nikki Haley or anyone who isn't part of the Cult suggested it, you'd piss your pants.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 6:12 pm to wackatimesthree
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Again with the tribal populism. He and Biden agree on something, so the position can't be conservative.
Let's do it another way. Tell me how it's not conservative using actual conservative principles, not by who else agrees or doesn't agree with it.
Or if you can only argue by authority, which Republican president in your lifetime would disagree with what he said? I'd argue none of them. So none of them were conservative?
Y'all problem is that you think idiot -arse socialist "Capitalism is bad because it produces Dollar Stores" conspiracy-nutter Tucker Carlson is conservative with his "Merca First" bullshite.
For the past 100 + years almost every time the United States got involved in foreign affairs—including foreign conflicts—the world became a safer place, and almost every time we (should have but) didn't, the world became more dangerous.
This isolationist bullshite that has become so popular so quickly is a really bad idea and history proves it.
Also, if you're one of the "Merca First" parrots, I hope you are not planning on voting for Donald Trump. Because he did stuff during his presidency to inflame foreign passions that if Ben Shapiro or Nikki Haley or anyone who isn't part of the Cult suggested it, you'd piss your pants.
Another neocon phaggot.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 6:18 pm to GetYouThatCope
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GetYouThatCope
Responds to a well-reasoned, thought out, and rational argument with a middle school put down.
The modern American voter, ladies and gents. Just like the majority of liberal white women, I hope you stay home on Election Day.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 6:27 pm to RollTide1987
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RollTide1987
Responds to a misleading, bad faith, and snarky argument with a middle school put down.
FIFY. There was no real argument and nothing was "thought-out". Just a triggered neocon rant.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 1/20/24 at 11:52 pm to GetYouThatCope
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Another neocon phaggot.
Another Tucker parrot mouth breathing idiot.
EDIT: What is hilarious and also revealing about just how stupid you people are is how easy it was for someone to sell you on the idea that NOT resisting terror, tyranny, aggression, etc. in the world is somehow the "manly" position now. Being a Jimmy Carter-style pussy is now what "real men" do.
You're afraid to fight, but I'm the phaggot.
O.k., Einstein.
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 1/21/24 at 2:46 am to wackatimesthree
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Another Tucker parrot mouth breathing idiot.
EDIT: What is hilarious and also revealing about just how stupid you people are is how easy it was for someone to sell you on the idea that NOT resisting terror, tyranny, aggression, etc. in the world is somehow the "manly" position now. Being a Jimmy Carter-style pussy is now what "real men" do.
You're afraid to fight, but I'm the phaggot.
O.k., Einstein.
Ok fatso, if you want me to dismantle you, I'll spend few minutes humiliating you.
Which one you wanna start it with Korea, Nam, Afghanistan, Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine? Include South and Central America in there?
You show you arse in here after 2 recent decades of neocon policies bankrupting the country, spawning ISIS, causing middle eastern refugee influx into Europe and US, Taliban getting billions in US arms, and and ongoing vacuum in the ME.
Be my guest and show me how US "foreign interventionalism" has helped this country in the last 70 years.
Go ahead, walk away you fat frick. Who's fighting, you and Chris Christie?
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frick Israel
America owes Israel NOTHING.
This post was edited on 1/21/24 at 2:52 am
Posted on 1/21/24 at 4:15 am to AndyJ
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He basically agrees with everyone here.
Its called pandering to sell clicks. He is not USA first. It's an act. He's basically a foreigner to American men and women legit interests. This has been well known for awhile.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 4:17 am to GetYouThatCope
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GetYouThatCope
What an oddball OP.
I'm no Ben Shapiro fan. In fact, I'm often a critic. But presuming your OP reference is to Shapiro's July 2022 speech in Israel -- the one in your jpeg -- what specifically is your complaint?
For the benefit of others, here is the context:
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“I may not agree with Shapiro’s views, but it’s a good thing he’s around to balance out the craziness in the U.S.,” said veteran Israeli columnist Ben Dror Yemini, who was among the 2,500 Israelis and expat Americans who came out to hear Shapiro on a hot July night. Yemini, who not unlike Shapiro has devoted himself to denouncing what he sees as liberal dominance of the media, said he was particularly worried about antisemitism on college campuses and what he said was anti-Israel reporting in The New York Times.
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Israel, Shapiro told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in an off-stage interview before he addressed the crowd, has shown itself to be vulnerable to “woke culture,” but added that he hoped that it would reject it.
“It’s a terrible export from the United States,” he said, adding that the tide is now turning and that America is facing a correction after the left “pushed too far too fast.”
In his address, which was jointly organized by CPAC, Tel Aviv International Salon and Sella Meir Shibolet Press, an Israeli publishing house focusing on conservative writing, Shapiro told the audience that Israel should take inspiration from other aspects of the United States, by lowering taxes and regulation, removing judiciary influence over the government and removing unions from the public sector.
Israel’s success in its 74 years of existence was due to its social capital, he said, and not due to its economic system which is “kind of a dumpster fire.”
“This is the first thing that Israel can learn from America. Free market economics is a very, very good thing,” he said, to loud cheers.
“America’s dynamism is the result of the tax structure that benefits investment; precisely the reverse is true in Israel,” he said, citing large gaps between the two countries’ respective tax burdens.
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Shapiro predicted an end to political gridlock in the next election, set for November. “I think Bibi will win,” he told JTA, referring to longtime prime minister and current opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu.
“This coalition has proved to enough Israelis that opposition to Bibi is not an agenda,” Shapiro said. “They couldn’t even do basic things.”
While he may be a “cutthroat politician,” Netanyahu is the “most important prime minister the state of Israel has ever had with the possible exceptions of [David] Ben Gurion and [Menachem] Begin,” he said.
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Posted on 1/21/24 at 5:02 am to Zach
quote:Yup. I truly believe the people who hate him here have something seriously wrong with them. It's as if any political figure must align 100% to not be a cuck or deep state or uniparty or whatever the latest small-brain attack word is popular. There are actually issues up on which reasonable minds can differ.
He is amazing speaking to college audiences with Q and A.
It's easy to destroy left wing moron students but he does it so politely.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:35 am to GetYouThatCope
Shapiro is an admitted Zionist and he cares more about Israel than the United States. He’s a cuck.
Posted on 1/21/24 at 7:38 am to ronricks
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Shapiro is an admitted Zionist and he cares more about Israel than the United States. He’s a cuck.
Yet has done 100x more to reach the younger crowd than any other "influencer."
His Jewish positions are troubling, but hes not the bad guy here.
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