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Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:18 am to Geekboy
The environment and health of our planet is the most important thing to me. In general Im going to vote for whoever has the best plan for conservation and against those who are willing to sacrifice our resources for $. Im also have very strong opinions on providing healthcare and education access for everyone.
I will gladly pay more in taxes, and suffer a decrease in my income for these initiatives. Typically it has seemed like of the two parties, the Democratic one would appeal to me more regarding these issues. Really dont care about other social or political issues as much, and i may not even agree with their stance on them and probably side with republicans more. But They just dont matter as much to me.
I will gladly pay more in taxes, and suffer a decrease in my income for these initiatives. Typically it has seemed like of the two parties, the Democratic one would appeal to me more regarding these issues. Really dont care about other social or political issues as much, and i may not even agree with their stance on them and probably side with republicans more. But They just dont matter as much to me.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:22 am to TigerAlum2006
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Well, you don’t get a cookie. The only way you get a cookie is if you say, “hmmm, here’s what I think I know...but let me check. Because I may be wrong. And the last thing I want to do is spread falsehoods.” But you didn’t do that. You offered personal (limited) experience. And you were rude to the original poster in an attempt to shut him down. Clearly, you need to read more. Or, like, Google when you don’t actually know something. Or, dare I repeat your smug attack, get out more.
Another dumb Liberal
I know your ilk had bad parents , but YOUR insurance is not my responsibility.
Discover what personal responsibility means.
Your census bureau numbers add up to more than 100%.
122% ?
RETARD
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:25 am to B4YOU
Hopefully one of the criminals gets your family.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:32 am to 93and99
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YOUR insurance is not my responsibility.
Okay. That’s a debate we can have. But that wasn’t the point of my post.
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Discover what personal responsibility means.
Oh, don’t I know it. The problem is, healthcare isn’t simply a set of personal choices. It’s a system. Designed by people. As is the job market. And some people benefit differently in these systems. Therefore, we have an obligation to change those designs. To reduce it to “personal responsibility” is intellectually and morally stunted and dishonest. But hey, it is an easy talking point to throw around to cut off any need for helping your neighbor. Nice.
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Your census bureau numbers add up to more than 100%.
Yeah, that’s my bad. When I started listing government-sponsored insurance, those percentages were “of those who have healthcare.” I fixed my post. Thanks for the heads up!
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:33 am to TigerAlum2006
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Therefore, we have an obligation to change those designs.
No we don’t.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:36 am to roadGator
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No we don’t.
So, you openly admit that if a designed system works for you, you don’t feel an obligation to change it so it can work for others too? I just want to make the moral grounds clear before I continue any further discussion on this...
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:37 am to 93and99
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Hopefully one of the criminals gets your family.
Truly Christ-like.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:37 am to LSU2ALA
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I know it won’t be popular on this board, but I like he is for providing access to affordable healthcare to everyone.
That's been a Democrat platitude for years and they have yet to do anything to lower costs. At least Trump is fighting big pharma to lower drug prices. I would think libs would love that.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:38 am to TigerAlum2006
The system is open to everyone.
If not, your favorite, mommy gov has a solution for you.
No. Some lazy drug dealer does not deserve the same system most of us work or worked hard to take advantage of.
You sound like a socialist.
If not, your favorite, mommy gov has a solution for you.
No. Some lazy drug dealer does not deserve the same system most of us work or worked hard to take advantage of.
You sound like a socialist.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:42 am to bayouawhiskey
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So you don’t think it’s valid that a person would cast their vote simply based on the President being a racist, bigot, liar, etc, etc, etc, etc and how those behaviors shape our social world. You certainly can ignore those things, but I won’t. They matter.
So, you're voting 3rd party or Kanye?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:44 am to bayouawhiskey
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So you don’t think it’s valid that a person would cast their vote simply based on the President being a racist, bigot, liar, etc, etc, etc, etc
There is no credible support that Trump is either a racist or a bigot. Period.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:45 am to LSU2ALA
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I like he is for providing access to affordable healthcare to everyone
Like Obama did?
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:45 am to TigerAlum2006
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Oh, don’t I know it. The problem is, healthcare isn’t simply a set of personal choices. It’s a system. Designed by people. As is the job market. And some people benefit differently in these systems. Therefore, we have an obligation to change those designs. To reduce it to “personal responsibility” is intellectually and morally stunted and dishonest. But hey, it is an easy talking point to throw around to cut off any need for helping your neighbor. Nice.
You want me to subsidize your health insurance.
YOUR costs should be based on your age and family size.
But a government program will be based on wallet size.
My employer provides health insurance , the bigger your family the more you pay.
I have great health insurance , I would be an idiot to want to give that up and subsidize someone else.
My family is far more important than my "neighbor".
My "neighbor" probably made bad choices and that's why they are on message boards begging for another handout.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:46 am to B4YOU
So to sum it up for the OP, the Dems will vote for anyone who espouses the collective. Conservatives value individualism and personal responsibility. It's a philosophical difference at the core. The U.S. was founded on individualism with limited government. Over the years, liberals or progressives have strived, with success, to change that to collectivism. Now we are moving more and more to collectivism with each generation and it seems this has exponentially increased over the last few years. Especially during and after the presidency of BHO.
I attribute it to mostly the brainwashing of masses through media, pop culture and of course academia. American government and American history, as we once knew, the real history and not Howard Zinn's version, is no longer taught. Even teachers are ignorant of it. Every student's mind is prepped to support the collective and the individual is seen as bad, greedy, ignorant and even immoral.
Anyway, long rant...but I believe it's why there is a complete, fundamental difference between Dem voters (progressives) and conservatives and why they would vote for Biden. They know Biden won't actually be the president; but one of the socialist master(s) behind the scenes will implement the policies they support.
I attribute it to mostly the brainwashing of masses through media, pop culture and of course academia. American government and American history, as we once knew, the real history and not Howard Zinn's version, is no longer taught. Even teachers are ignorant of it. Every student's mind is prepped to support the collective and the individual is seen as bad, greedy, ignorant and even immoral.
Anyway, long rant...but I believe it's why there is a complete, fundamental difference between Dem voters (progressives) and conservatives and why they would vote for Biden. They know Biden won't actually be the president; but one of the socialist master(s) behind the scenes will implement the policies they support.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:48 am to roadGator
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The system is open to everyone.
You’re struggling here, dude. Yes, everyone in this country interactions with our current healthcare system—and it doesn’t work well for everyone.
Now, you’ll make some illogical leap to try to claim that all people without healthcare have somehow failed morally. Like this point you made...
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Some lazy drug dealer does not deserve the same system most of us work or worked hard to take advantage of.
Why would you throw out drugs dealers as an example here and ignore the example—and actual data—I provided about construction workers. It doesn’t fit your narrative that if you just work hard, you can succeed? I’m betting some of the roofers in those statistics work longer and harder than your arse. Yet they may get paid less and, as I showed you, don’t have access to healthcare—because healthcare is tied to our employment system. But then maybe you’ll try to signal that there’s some moral failing of roofers? They could have found a better job you might say? And, whew, I’m not sure you want to go down that path...
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You sound like a socialist.
Ooohhhh boogey man socialist here. You caught me. But nah, bro. I’m a Christian patriot.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:49 am to B4YOU
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Releasing all border crossers into the U.S. interior Source?
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Basically "FREE" healthcare and welfare to ALL illegal immigrants. Source?
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Stopping deportation of illegal criminals in the US. Source?
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s new promise to halt deportations of illegal immigrants during his first 100 days in office would keep free thousands of serious criminals with long rap sheets sought by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a government report on removals suggests.
The latest ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations report said that 86% of those seized in fiscal 2019 were “aliens with criminal convictions or pending criminal charges.”
The report said that the ERO made 123,128 arrests and that “the criminal history for this group represented 489,063 total criminal convictions and pending charges.” This “equates to an average of four criminal arrests/convictions per alien, highlighting the recidivist nature of the aliens that ICE arrests,” added the report.
Lol. Again, you can't just admit WHO and WHAT you support. You have to constantly obfuscate. It's pathetic. If you favor Open Borders like Daddy Soros and Uncle Joe, just OWN IT.
Biden is ON RECORD multiple times as saying he opposes border detentions. He favors catch and disappear. His own policy papers say he opposes detention at the border and favors what he weaselly calls ""community-based alternatives to detention."
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Basically "FREE" healthcare and welfare to ALL illegal immigrants. Source?
“Look, I think that anyone who is in a situation where they are in need of health care, regardless of whether they are documented or undocumented, we have an obligation to see that they are cared for,” Biden said in response to whether illegal immigrants “should be entitled to federal benefits like Medicare, Medicaid.” LINK
If you have decided that 7 billion people have a birthright to free healthcare and benefits in the US-just own it. No need to plead with us that your candidates don't believe what your candidates believe. Try honesty. It won't kill you.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:50 am to B4YOU
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Truly Christ-like.
Oh well , I have ZERO respect for people like you.
It doesn't bother you that illegals disrespect our process and leech off taxpayers.
I suspect you pay very little or no Federal Income Taxes.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:53 am to TigerAlum2006
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Ooohhhh boogey man socialist here. You caught me. But nah, bro. I’m a Christian patriot.
If you have ever voted for a Democrat you aren't a Christian.
God doesn't support abortion but Democrats do.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:54 am to TS1926
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The U.S. was founded on individualism with limited government
L
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Yeah, the right of individuals to own other individuals whose labor and lives could be stolen so that a small group of individuals could amass great wealth. And government should enact policies to protect that enterprise. Nice.
Indeed, that’s the system we have, although the exploitation is less extreme. The government props up and protects those who already have wealth. And ensures that the rest of us don’t get any. Rising income inequality makes that clear.
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